Is The Future Vintage & Electric?

2019 is here, and with it comes a deep sigh, backed by thoughts of how far we’ve progressed in the automotive industry.

But what’s really hard to swallow is that the future is clearly taking direction towards being electrified, so it’s safe to say that the internal combustion engine is living on its last dying breath. A gut-wrenching thought to process I know, but it’s honestly the truth of the matter. In fact, electric vehicle sales reached record-breaking highs in 2018 thanks to the release of cars like the more affordable Tesla Model 3.

Pretty much all major players in every corner of the automotive industry are making huge investments into research and development of their future EV fleets to come. Experts are even projecting that EV production will surpass that of ICE vehicles by year 2040, and that’s not too long from now when you really think about it.


Facts aside, the ongoing debate about gasoline versus electric power plants is pervasive in a sense where it’s almost pointless – the direction is already set. And we’re seeing it take place in not only the automotive world, but in smaller forms of transportation as well. Which is what sparked my interest in doing a story on a particular electric cycling company based not too far from home.


While you guys are used to mostly seeing cars on the site, I figured I’d dive more into other things on wheels as well. We’ve done a few of motorcycle features in the past, but I think this is going to be the first time anyone is covering an ‘e-bike’. With that in mind, it only makes sense to start with the best of the best.

So after reaching out to founder Andrew Davidge, he invited me to the Vintage Electric headquarters here in Santa Clara, California, where I took a shop tour, and later set out for a test ride. But before all of that, let’s take a look at the tech behind the beauty.

The E-Bike, Reimagined By Vintage Electric

Vintage Electric is the industry leader in the e-bike realm. You may have noticed public figures such as Rod Emory towing his Vintage Electric bike with his famous EmorySpecial Porsche 356, or maybe even watched their feature episode on Jay Leno’s Garage. Never the less, they’ve managed to disrupt the industry using their cutting-edge technology, paired with unmistakable timeless design that you simply just can’t stop staring at.


Vintage Electric’s current line-up consists of four e-bikes: the Café, Tracker, Tracker S, and Scrambler S. While design is inspired by motorcycles from nearly a century ago, all of the bikes feature engineering and technology that find roots in performance, quality, and serviceability. The series shares 720-watt to 1,123-watt lithium-ion batteries, tastefully cased inside v-twin inspired housing units. Not only do these batteries look good, they also serve ingenuity by keeping the center of gravity on the bikes as low as possible. That’s critical to anything on wheels, as balance can make or break the performance aspect of the vehicle.

These batteries are what juice up the 3000-watt rear hub-mounted electric motors, which in turn allow for speeds of up to 36mph (58km/h) in ‘race’ mode, and range capabilities of up to 75 miles (120 kilometers) on a full charge, depending on what power output level you choose.

Speaking of which, the engineering team has incorporated many similar aspects of output ranges found in cultivating hybrid automotive technology, which can be found on cars like the P1, 919, and La Ferrari. There’s regenerative braking, which harvests the energy exerted while braking and recycles it back into the battery pack for longer range on a single charge. The bikes also have an onboard computer, which allows users to choose from a power level of 1 all the way up to a power level of 5, all depending on the experience desired, and can be changed at any given time whilst riding. There’s also a second key which unlocks race mode, which is pretty self explanatory but in essence, changes the dynamics of bike by allowing for full power wattage at all times, and shifts focus from efficiency over to speed and acceleration.

But perhaps the most innovative feature I found was the pedal-assist technology. There’s a torque sensor in the crank arms of the pedal which activate the rear motor, thus resulting in an extra push when choosing to pedal like a normal bike. The difference is incredible, as the harder and faster you pedal the more power assist you’ll end up getting. The first time you experience this can be a little alarming, but it quickly translates into making you feel like a super human. Each time I would pedal, I’d pick up two to three times more speed than I would on a conventional bicycle.


The variety in the line-up are primarily based on type of usage desired by the rider. The café series features the pedal assist only and uses the 750-watt battery. The Tracker on the other hand has full pedal-less capabilities, and uses the slightly smaller 720-watt battery. The Tracker S and Scrambler S use the most powerful 1,123-watt batteries, and have the longest range levels in the series. The biggest difference in the two would be that the Scrambler S has more all-terrain capabilities with its off-road designed tires.

Now that we’ve covered what makes these e-bike’s so tech-savvy, let’s talk about my experience with the the bikes.

The Magic

I met with Andrew and the company CEO, Scott, a few weeks ago to see where all magic takes place. We started out in the back of the house, where testing, engineering, and design all find each other in harmony. I was greeted with the first time I’d ever seen what is considered a ‘bicycle dyno’, which is something I honestly didn’t even know existed. There was a Tracker series bike sitting on the machine, lacking a motor, which I presume was intentional as it was used as their testing bike.


A few steps aside was the workshop, assorted with machining tools, a press, some metal benders, and a very well organized table of tools for their assembling and repair area.


Amongst all of this was a plethora of parts and accessories for the bikes, as well as completed bike packages that were ready for shipment all around the globe. I was thoroughly impressed by the attention to detail in ergonomics of the workshop and warehouse; I noticed that everything seemed to be placed strategically in almost an assembly line-like manner, making for easy transitioning when building the bikes from pieces.


Oh and before I forget, it wouldn’t be a bike shop without a drift trike of course. This bike is obviously not produced for the mainstream, but rather something to have fun in during lunch breaks. Imagine doing 36mph skids on this thing…


Moving on to the front of the house, I immediately took notice of Andrew’s pride and joy: Number 26 was the pioneering bike that made Vintage Electric what it is today. It was Andrew’s first completed bike, and was what put the company on the map during Monterey Car Week a few years back where it was debuted. This was the bike that essentially served as their proof of concept, and without it we wouldn’t have a Vintage Electric in the industry.

The rest of the showroom was quite pleasing to the eye as well. There was Vintage Electric-themed furniture and memorabilia that really helped bring out that early 20th century vibe, all of which helped capture the essence of the bikes’ roots for people visiting the showroom. As a buyer, this is the type of showroom I’d want to step foot in, as it makes you feel like you’re in a time capsule.

Putting The Power Down

With the showroom and behind the scenes tour completed, we set forth on our adventure up Mount Hamilton. Scott and Andrew chose this specific location as their testing grounds for numerous reasons, including the dynamic elevation changes, mix of rugged terrain and fresh tarmac, and overall complexity and length of the route. Our mission was to see how the e-bikes performed in full electric race mode, in real world conditions.


My immediate impression was how well the ergonomics on the bikes were designed, and how user intuitive they were as well. The seating position felt nice for both my girlfriend and myself, and I’m literally double her size. Hopping on and pedalling felt normal, other than the additional weight carried in the battery packs. But even then, the pedal assist made the bikes feel ultra light for what they are.

Making our way up the mountain was effortless to say the least. There were times where I felt compelled to pedal, but Scott and Andrew insisted it was unnecessary, as they were fully capable of making the trek up, and down, without having to pedal a single time. So instead, I reverted to using the throttle like I would’ve on a scooter or motorcycle. The braking was also sharp, as the regenerative system almost acts as a brake booster with quick and sharp grabs at the rotors.


Within the first five minutes of riding, I felt comfortable enough to divert my attention to the majestic beauty of the route up the mountain. Temperatures were fairly cool that day, but that ended up being in our favor as it kept traffic at a bare minimum, though I did manage to pass up a couple of slow-goers on the way. This was obviously thanks to the smooth powerband and immense level of torque emitted by the 3,000 watt motor mounted on the rear wheel of the bike. To be frank, it was quite the sight to see, because the passing role is usually reversed on these types of roads.


We reached the top of the mountain in about an hour, and still had about 60% battery life left. Mind you, this was on the highest power level, in race mode, with no pedalling all the way up. I think it’s clear to say I was rather impressed.

At the top, we were greeted by the world famous Lick Observatory (yes, home of the astronomer and telescope that helped Einstein with his theory of relativity). This is where I decided would be the best place for getting the majority of the photo work done. I mean, just take a look at these panoramic views of the Bay Area. We even happened to come across some electric line workers and their helicopter, so there was no doubt that I needed some photos with it as well.


Soon after, we began trek back down. In the midst of all this, I couldn’t help but feel the need to own one at some point in the near future.

Sure, the bikes are primarily used by commuters and every day street riders in the real world. But after taking them out into this setting, I realized how much of nature I miss when I do the same route in the GT-R or NSX. The sound of wastegate and screeching brakes was replaced by singing birds and winds brushing up against the leaves; it really gave me a different type of perspective on the whole mountain drive (or ride in this matter) experience.

No music, nothing to distract me, just soaking in everything mother nature had to offer. If this is the future, then I don’t think I hate it after all. It’s unfiltered speed.

The Vintage Family

Before wrapping up, I figured it’s best to understand how, why, and where vintage electric is going.

If you take a second to look into some of the greatest companies in the world, you’ll notice one fundamental similarity in their foundation: Passion. Vintage Electric is no exception to this formula. Andrew comes from a background where all things mechanical meets all things on wheels. His passion started at a young age during his grade school years, where he seemed to spend more time doodling prototype bicycles and cars in his notebooks rather than listening to lectures and taking notes. As time passed, his passion prevailed, leading him into building his track-prepped E36 BMW M3, a few 125cc racing shifter carts, and even getting into mountain biking. All of which led him to meeting other members of his team as well.

Their CEO Scott was driving an Austin-Healey Sprite when they met each other, and was also an avid motorcycle enthusiast. Their head of North American sales, Eddie, came on board after meeting and discussing the company during shifter cart racing at Sonoma Raceway, and he too now drives an E36 M3 (which is actually my old ‘Hellrot’ coupe as seen in my GT-R story).

The director of operations, Brian, met Andrew by chance while he was swapping an S50 into his E30, and Andrew just so happened to be a passing by neighbor. The list goes on and on, but it’s clear that the team has the same passion for the business, which is key to what makes them thrive in the industry.


Andrew mentioned “the current plan is the same plan we have always had. To get as many like-minded, forward-thinking, amazing people to join our family”, and this is where I like to see future endeavors of companies alike heading towards. Not the ideology of replacing cars for the sheer factor of hating driving or ‘saving the planet’, but rather enhancing the engineering behind the transportation to embrace giving you the experience you earn for as a user.

Though the Vintage Electric team is focusing on bicycles, they are managing to set the standard for the electric transportation industry as a whole. Electric transportation doesn’t have to be futuristic. They just have to give us what we want – an exhilarating experience.

Naveed Yousufzai 
Instagram: eatwithnaveed

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Doesn’t making a classic car/motercycle electric defeat the purpose of buying a classic car. You buy these types of cars for the experience of driving them. You might as well just buy a new car and make it look like a classic car.


Most people buy classic cars for the looks and don't want to get their hands dirty. The current trend is to install fuel injection throttle bodies that look like carburetors and discreet electronic ignition. I'm sure soon there will be electric conversions with adjustable torque curve settings and external sound systems to replicate the ICE engine experience.

Naveed Yousufzai

Yes and no imho. What they're doing here is what your last statement says. These aren't used or old, they're just made to look that way. So you get a taste of both worlds.


It's a fair point, but they do both offer very different driving experiences.


Great, I know what I'm asking Santa for next Christmas.


Is this an article or an advertisement? because I just won at buzzword bingo and that leads me to believe that this is an advertisement.

I like Vintage Electric and have had a chance to take one for a spin but its one large undertaking to claim that they are the best of the best. I think they are offering a premium product (at a premium price) but they are doing more marketing than engineering. For example i would argue that they do not have 4 models but 4 trim levels of the same model, they may change tires, battery size and some features but everything else is the same. There are so many E-bike manufacturers out there that you would have to investigate to make the claim that Vintage Electric are the best of the best, they might have the best design to sell to a specific market (hipsters) but you have failed to point out anything that would show that they have earned that moniker.

The other thing that i didnt see in this article is any description of "cutting-edge technology", all of the components have been available for some time now from the hub motor to the batteries to the torque sensing crankshafts.

finally, in the picture of the cycle on the dyno, its missing the battery, not the motor, you can see the hub motor on the rear wheel.

Naveed Yousufzai

To each their own I guess. I did some research prior to writing this, and I could hardly find anyone who offered the same amount of power/range. It was usually; either, or.

Regardless of that matter though, we mustn't forget that any story is subjective, no matter where it's written. Cheers!


The thing is that there are so many competitors in the E-bike market that doing research on everyone in the game would be hard so i completely understand you not finding any with the range/power. Another thing to consider is that a lot of these bike manufacturers are regional, mostly due to legislation around them but also for style and taste reasons. For example in my area E-bikes are only supposed to have a max power output of 500w and any higher than that puts it into motorcycle classification with all required licenses and insurance. A quick google search for me found a couple in the $7000, 3000w, 1200Wh (watt-hour) range and quite a few that are above that (check out the stealth bikes lineup). The Ebike market is more developed than people would think but there is no one player that is dominant anywhere, nor is there any business using cutting edge technology in these bikes as the majority of the components and control systems are well developed and really only being refined at this point. E-bikes are great products but are in the marketing distinction stage where companies need to differentiate themselves from other companies to make sales and Vintage Electric knows how to build hype clearly.

I understand that everything is subjective, i was just pointing out that this came across as more of an advertisement than an article. Maybe you went a little fan-boy-ish after going for a ride? it happens to people after their first E-bike ride.


Why would you buy a electric bike to begin with? Are people that out of shape? Need a feature of the 356, not the bikes....

Andrew Ross Baker

Hold that thought and go find a place that sells E-bikes and ride one. You may feel the same but... you may find yourself smiling ear to ear. It's simular to flooring a Telsa for the first time, absolute joy. I'm desperately trying to find a good reason to get one but my commute doesn't match an e bike yet. Unlike a car, motorcycle, or moped, you're not restricted to road or really have to pay for anything to uncle sam aside from sales tax ( so far). Bike paths turn into a motoGP course, a blocked road is less blocked with one of these. ( Just for perspective I'm an avid cyclist / 70.3 Ironman finisher.) Fit or not, these things offer one of the most flexible ways to get around... fast.


I live in a country in Europe where bikes are everywhere. Allmost all people ride them. So I have ridden electric bikes. As in full electric and peddle assisted ones. So yeah, for old or fat people I can understand buying one. For everyone else: No.

As for paying: Still need to pay for electricity. Where you don't have to pay on a bike. And you stay healthy as well. Over here your mandated to wear a safety helmet (as in the tour the France things for peddle assisted, and for full electric above 25Km/H a regular helmet you wear on a moped).

As for being an avid cyclist: same here.


Where I live the city is super hilly so riding a normal bicycle is too much of a pain to make it reasonable. However one of these could change that.

Andrew Ross Baker

You know, I'm a typical American, only thinking about America! My apologies! We are way more lax here in the states (not enough people have been killed on Ebikes for us to have any major regulations yet). I have about a 44 mile (70.8km) round trip commute that takes me about 3 hours. An E bike would shave that down quite a bit along with lowering the speed differential I'd have with cars. so in theory it's a bit safer too. I ride a Specialized Diverge as a commuter right now and it does the job well but the time adds up. I don't have 15 hours to ride per week so that would be where an Ebike comes in. Cheaper than a car / motorcycle but faster than a bicycle. The big reason I don't have one is 12 inches of snow fell last weekend and its apparently going to be -7°F degrees (-21.6°C) this coming Monday. For fitness I'd agree with you. For commuting and/or leisure for specific situations I think an E bike can make a ton of sense.


Not enough people ride bikes over there on a day to day basis. Over here it's about 40% of the total population who ride bicycles on a day to day basis.
I ride slightly less then you do: about 66Km round trip, so 41 miles? I do it in slightly over 2 hours though. So my averige speed is probably a bit higher. Then again, We have actual paths for bicycles separate from the one which the cars drive on (or next to it), and have traffic laws that are pro-bicycle.

I'm curently using a Sensa Umbria. Not that special really. It's currently not snowing here, and if it snows its at most 4inches or about 10cm. Can get cold, but not this year. Long live global warming! Can still ride with 4 inches of snow. Even on skinny tires. But I can understand where your coming from. Then again: an E-bike won't help you with 12" of snow?
For commuting I'm coming from the perspective it's better in the long run to just peddle. And for leisure I would choose a motorbike or car over any e-bike. More speed in either. But then again, thats just me.


"Then again: an E-bike won't help you with 12" of snow?"

a E-fat-bike would, go talk to the Canadians, they have a couple over there.

Naveed Yousufzai

There are many reasons. Why buy a car when you can walk? Why take a train when you can bike? Why buy a boat when you can swim?


Thats a bit of dumb comment don't you think? Whats a legit reason to buy an electric bike over a regular bike? Yes I could also take my X-Wing to go grocery shopping. But thats besides the point.

The only reason would be to gain time compaired to a bicycle. But you can reach 20MPH in the retarded system (and about 36Km/H in the right one) on a bicycle if you do it regularly? And can do it for way longer then the 40-76 miles. And what happens in a year from now? Battery dead if you use it daily? Or you just have to peddle it for half the commute? And peddling means normal effort + the added friction of the engine and weight of the bike.

And don't get me wrong: I don't have anything against a regular electric moped or even motorcycle. They do have a market. But as for bicycles: Lose the peddles or lose the electric engine.


Wife has an e-bike mountain bike as she has asthma, this lets her join me for rides without having issues at every hill. There are a lot of reasons to have an e-bike, you do have to pedal a true e-assist, these in the article are more eletric mopeds than cycles and would probably not be legal in UK as we have limits on power.


some times I don't feel like peddling a bike but I want to go somewhere? Over here we don't need to pay for insurance or gas on one of these and its much easier to park a bicycle than a motorcycle. I live in a very warm climate and I do have a bicycle but sometimes it would be nice to commute without being drenched in sweat (being able to travel at 36mph with be nice too).


Your initial question was "why would you buy an electric bike, to begin with?" so my answer to you is another question on why people buy things they don't NEED to buy, but still do anyway. Things aren't made to fulfill a single purpose. You couldn't pay me, as well as many others, to ride a conventional bike up mount hamilton. But these bikes gave me that experience. I would've never done that otherwise. So I would hope you realize that people buy things for leisure, fun, and an assortment of other reasons. Not just for what their "purpose" is.


Exactly my point:

"You couldn't pay me, as well as many others, to ride a conventional bike up mount hamilton."

Instant gratification, it's all that matters these days. I'm getting old....


What in the world are you on about? How does my unwillingness to ride a conventional bicycle up the tallest mountain in the bay area, translate to instant gratification? I genuinely am trying to understand your thought process here, but the two literally have nothing to do with each other?


On the contrary:

Instant gratification, because that won't take any effort to do so on a Ebike. Peddling up that mountain on a regular bicycle would take training. The same with cars or anything else in life. But let me guess: Your way of investing in cars is money only? In stead of time and learning the skills to properly do it yourself? If so: Instant gratification.... Peoples comments say more about them then they think, and even more so on their generation.

So all in all: They have everything to do with each other. It's just placing what you say into context.

And don't get me wrong: I'm not against electric vehicles. Electric scooters/moped are just fine. Electric motorcycles and cars as well. Just not electric bicycles. They're just to circumvent the rules.


I don't see how paying somebody else to work on your car equates to instant gratification. Provided you're not one of the 1% who has inherited a fortune, most of us work for our money and have to budget how we spend it.

If I save for months and months to pay someone to work on my car, how is that different from taking months and months to learn the skills and do it myself? Sure they're different ways of reaching the same goal, and granted that doing it yourself you gain skills and experience. But if you're not mechanically minded - is putting in hours of over time to pay for mods so inferior to putting in hours of late night garage stints?

I'm with you in the sense that delayed gratification brings a greater reward but I really don't think it applies to this situation.


Ok, the following question for you then:

What takes longer: Working a couple of month to get the money to pay the bills, or learning a whole lifetime?

The difference being first and foremost time. Effort. Gratification ( but not the instant kind ;) ) When your not mechanically inclined you just haven't put the effort in or are unwilling to put effort in. It's one or the other. Unless your handicapped of course. And some people still achieve it (which I find admiring).

There is no such thing as mechanically inclined: Everybody can learn to work on a car. It's not like you have to have a PhD. Some people just learn quicker then others, thats all. But you can learn everything you want if you really put your mind to it (and heart and soul helps a lot). It's all down to doing stuff enough times to become comfortable with it. As is everything in life.

Naveed Yousufzai

LOL! Some mighty claims and theories being tossed around here. Cheers to you buddy, I genuinely hope you find a better perspective to life than this.


Which again proves my point: You not answering the question is in a sense the verdict: "Guilty". And I'm not saying thats totally wrong either. As I said: It's just instant gratification. So in that sense they are not claims, just facts. And why would I find a "better" perspective on life? Whats wrong with the one I've stated above?


Come on Kevski, you're trying way too hard.
I have multiple bikes. 3 different mountain bikes and an electric assist commuter bike. I took the throttle off the commuter bike because I like to pedal. The reason people buy ebikes is because they can go farther, faster, longer, and you don't have to sweat your arse off while doing it. Instant gratification? Nah. I get where I want to go without working too hard. I'll run the electric motor in a lower assist setting on the way home to get my workout.
Who cares if someone wants to spend their hard-earned money on having someone else work on their vehicles or whatever else. I work, I go to school, I have a family. If something at my house breaks, like plumbing or electrical or maybe HVAC, I'll call an expert. I don't have the time to learn how to do it all, so I'd rather have a pro come in and knock it out in a few hours compared to a week. Nothing wrong with that "instant gratification" in some cases. I use my resources, whether that's the tools, knowledge, or the budget.
Sometimes you just have to look at what people do and say to yourself "eh, to each their own." It'll help you out in this case and many others.


Thrust me, I'm not even trying.

Why do you have to sweat your ass off while doing it? If you do it regularly your body will get used to the exercise. Sure you stil sweat, but far less by that time. And they have showers and deodorant for that? Not really a big deal. People who do find that a big deal should think for them selves: "Why do I find it a big deal?" Mostly is down to time, hassle, you name it? People want to have their cake and eat it too: Instant gratification. Being ok with that, is to each his own. But it still is instand gratification non the less.

I can relate to going faster, but there are fasters things then that. And although it is physically possible to travel 36 MPH by pedelling, It's not really practical to do so. But longer depends on the yourney and on your physical condition, so in the current state batteries are in, it still isn't a great argument.

And don't get me wrong: I have a masters of engineering. Got that at fairly late through work. I currently only use it for prototyping and developing for myself. It isn't my dayjob anymore, and certainly not the thing I wanted to do in school growing up. Still got a career out of it way before I had my title. You wanna know why? because I sacrifised the time and effort to do so.

And don't get me wrong: I have my own company, have a wife, a family, a home, mortgage and all that. But I always take to time to improve myself. Being complacent won't get you anywhere in life. In a way thats instant gratification in itself: leaving yourself as you are.

And don't get me wrong: I'm won't loose a minute sleep if people want instant gratification. As I said, to each his own. I'm certainly not one of them though....


You have to be trolling. You keep saying "to each their own" yet you argue everyones point.

You don't like electric bikes because you feel that the "problem" it solves is not a problem for you. That's fine. It is a problem for other people and enough of them have that problem that this company has been around for 5+ years.

Now, you might argue that all these people don't really have a problem, they are just uninformed, lazy or "want instant gratification"...and you might be right, they don't have a problem, they have a WANT. They want what an electric bike does and you don't - so you won't buy one. You might also want something that I don't want...that doesn't mean what you want is less important.

Step down off your high horse and take a second to appreciate what others might appreciate even though you don't, instead of telling everyone else they are wrong.


No I'm not trolling. I'm dead srious. And yes, people who reply get a reply back. Thats how the comments section works. To each their own is because I respect that everybody has their opinion. But going against me and saying I am wrong clearly doesn't show the same respect. Thats all I'm saying....

And yes, you are 'kind of' correct about that. I say kind of because thats not the whole message: It shouldn't be a problem for anybody in the world, as long as they are willing to put the time and effort in.The people who think they have a problem that this will solve, clearly have another problem , although they don't see it that way.

You ae right about your statement: They have a want. In this case more likely caused by good marketing. I mean lets face it: The bikes resemble motorcycles of days gone by. The battery is shaped like a V twin, the motor itself like a drum brake. It has front forks of a motorcycle. So its invoking the feel of a motorcycle.
But it doens't need a license, no training whatsoever. Furthermore it probably doens't need insurance, and it doesn't need a parking space. It's about the same as Vaping, and you know what that turned in to?
So what happens:
-They drive everywhere
-They drive like imbiciles
-They aren't insured, so when someone causes an accident, the person who isn't responsible is f***ed.
-Sidewalks will become littered with them. As well as parks, etc.
-Running on the sidewalk.

And the list goes on and on. All because of stuff that people want. If I want something, like say mass murder a bunch of people, is that wrong? As far as I understand from your comment I have a want, so its OK? Of course thats taking it totally out of context, but you get what I mean....


Ummmm...what? Your appeals to extremes are completely ridiculous. I'm not trying to be pedantic but you just hit "reductio ad absurdum" out of the park there. If I were a professor, I think I'd use your comment as a textbook example.

I also never said you were wrong, I asked you to examine why you are telling everyone else that they are wrong and maybe take a second to appreciate what others appreciate, even if you don't.

Your arguments against electric bikes are based completely on opinion, which is fine, but you're attempting to put others down with statements like "instant gratification" or "that's a dumb comment" or " for old or fat people I can understand buying one". People like different things, as very evident in this comment section. Plenty of young, fit people have commented on how they love electric bikes.

Here you go: I work in Law, I wear a suite to work. Parking is insanely expensive, so I don't drive. I don't live near public transportation and a bike ride takes me an hour to get to work and sweaty. An electric bike takes me 25 minutes and I can wear my suite. This gives me more time with my family, I don't need an extra car for work, so we only have one family vehicle and I get to use my road bike on the weekends with friends. I don't have a "problem" that I don't see, I have a problem that I solved with an electric bike on top of enjoying the hell out of it. Smiling while riding to work is a great feeling that an e-bike gives me.


Not realy: I I mentioned earlier I don't live stateside, but in Europe. In a country that has way more bicycles per head then anywhere else in the world. We have roughly 17,3 million people living here. Yet we have 22,5 million bicycles. So thats roughly 1.3 bicycle per person. We are a lot farther allong then anywhere else in the world when it comes to bicycles. And therefore also E-bikes. We also have legislation regarding E-bikes. Ever wonder why? Accidents and what not. So I'm not kidding with the above. First its fine: Old people buy them. Not really a problem. But we did see an increase in hospital visits resulting from e-bikes. Then its the youth. Bigger problems: since they drive like maniacs.

I can honestly say that I think you will be a good e-bike rider, but without the proper legislation things will escalate fairly quickly, because not everybody is as responsible as you are. And therein lies the problem: There is none in the states. We are here on a car site. (Which reminds me, since you have 1 family car, why are you here? And no that is a real question out of curiossity? Since I don't suspect it's anything like whats on this site?) So lets say you have a vehicle thats your pride and joy. You ae following every rule by the book. And some A-hole comes driving with 30MPH on his E-bike into the side of your car. or the front, or the back, doens't really matter. Who's going to pay for it? Because thats what will eventually happen without proper legislation.

But as a whole, its not an opinion, it's what actually happend here. So take it from a country that has a lot more expirience then yours has when it comes to bicycles and E-bikes....


I don't see how you being from the Netherlands has anything to do with your appeal to extremes with your example of "if you want to ride an e-bike, then what if I want to kill someone" doesn't fly.

Secondly, I'm on this site because I like E-bikes and the article popped up in my news feed.

Thirdly, I know you're just here to be argumentative/ holier than though because you keep providing contradicting examples. So I have one question for you:

So lets say you have a vehicle thats your pride and joy. You ae following every rule by the book. And some A-hole comes driving with 30MPH on his BIKE into the side of your car. or the front, or the back, doens't really matter. Who's going to pay for it?

Cycling insurance is not mandatory in your country so who pays for it? I know the answer and it's the same answer that you'll get from an uninsured e-bike rider in the states.

You've come up with a lot of hypotheticals for why e-bike riding is for the lazy, for the immature, for the inexperienced countrymen, for people who don't know better. All of these examples are anecdotal and only convinces people that you think yourself superior for some reason.

E-bikes are fun, just like fast cars, which is why you're on SPEEDHUNTERS in the first place.


No You don't know the answer. Bike insurance isnt manditory in the Netherlands. Thats only usefull for something happening to your bike. But each and every person needs to ensured in This country. Thats just law. So no, your wrong about that.

Second of all: The vehicle You are driving is dependant of determening who is responsible for the damages. Bikes are protected by law over here. Even when they run a red light and a car hits them, the car is at fault. An ebike on the other hand is speed restricted: Pedal assisted: Speed governed. Fully electric: Moped and thus need to have a license. Pedal assisted and not speed governed: Moped.
As I said: We are way ahead of you. Ebikes where unrestricted at first here as wel.


I should have just agreed with your earlier statement because you're very right: you are getting old.


Dude, the whole first two paragraphs are crap: everyone knows by now “the future” will not be just one thing - it’s all the things cheaper plus the great new stuff too for the rich. It’s always been this way.
The ICE is not in any way “on its last breath” as books were “tinder” when the internet and iPads came out, or archery “forgotten” when muskets and cannons introduced. ICE still has a long way to develop, and EV’s (like fuel cells, hydrogen, solid state EV’s, flow cell EV’s, rotary range extender hybrids, and even supercapacitor EV/hybrids) are here to save the future by offerring another hole to dig in another place so we’re all not just digging the same, supermassive black hole: Spread out the damage, and that’s sustainable.
Love EV’s? Probably because you’re into real Luxury cars. Love ICE? Well, you like heritage, sound, and romance. It’s not like the two are enemies.

Naveed Yousufzai

Guess we will have to wait and see.


Great story , the comments section is always funny , maybe one day people gonna understand bikes better , bikes are there to stay forever , thanks again beautiful picture


But the price is just... too much


This reminds me of the movie "Time" where they had Jaguar E-Type with an electric motor(lookalike I guess). But the singer from Red Hot Chilli Peppers did it first? with his tuned Camaro SS with an electric motor.

Naveed Yousufzai

I just watched the trailer, and now I'm hooked! I'll have to watch it tonight! Thanks for the tip lol


I am the biggest fan of electrification. I love new tech. and what it has the potential to do! HOWEVER, I will never be an advocate for plopping an electric drivetrain into a classic chassis (or something made to resemble a "classic" design).

Showing my nerdism a bit here but ..... it is like a Dementor coming along and sucking out someone's soul. The shape of the car/bike is there, but what made it special is long gone.

More power (ba-dum-cha) to these guys, but to each their own. I'd be a big fan if they were to design of a futuristic-LOOKING electric bike with lots of bespoke parts.

Have several friends who are engineers/designers working on new electric cars.... we've all talked about this at length... NONE of them would swap out the drivetrains in their classics.


Coming from previous experience of working for an OEM E-bike and E-bike conversion manufacturer essentially all of these options and features are basically uniform across the industry, sometimes it just takes some programming or a few extra parts. A majority of the companies are purchasing the same motor and batteries from the same vendors, so the ability to add/change features is relatively simple.

I've had the chance to ride some of Electric West bikes and they really are great machines for what they are, but there are similar powered and ranged bikes out there. Maybe they aren't aesthetically pleasing, don't have the vintage style or they may not be that cheap.

Hub motors are great for large capacity, high powered motors but unfortunately there is a limitation to the "final drive gearing", IE they only accelerate and hold a specific top speed based on the wheel OD. None of that matters since there is a "Speed Limit" that has been put on E-Bikes unless it is in an "Off-Road" setting. There are motors that can be installed into the frame and utilize the drive train of the bicycle, now you have gears, this has it flaws as well. The motor placement will change quite a lot of the dynamics of the bike but as well as the battery life and power. There was customers that could pull 150 miles out of battery pack with pedal assist at low levels on the mid drive kits, I managed to hit a top speed 45 mph with an average speed of around 28 mph and would get around 35 miles out of a 750 watt motor on a single battery charge. Soon enough battery tech will advance and we'll be using smaller, more powerful batteries with less charge time but the ICE has a hold on the world market and infrastructure that can't/won't change/disappear easy or quickly.

Prior to my employment there I had ridden/ been in or on a lot of wheeled contraptions over the course of my life with varying amounts of injuries and was hesitant about E-bikes and there usefulness, definitely changed my perspective on them working there. It makes sense for some people as a commuter in a city, if you don't/want/can't own a car, or have a disability/ older folks.

In the end I realized the main reason that I enjoyed E-bikes is that some come or can be equipped with a throttle.


I'm an avid mountain biker, and the market is getting hit with a lot of high end full-suspension ebikes lately. I can't wait until they're a little more affordable. BUT, there's a ton of hate associated with them right now. That needs to die down a bit too before I'll end up buying one. The elitists are trying to keep them off trails (pedal assist bikes), almost due to fear mongering.


We dont seem to be getting the hate in the UK so much, most people are more curious now. Until my wife tried hers we took mikey out of em too but all they do is assist, you do have to pedal and they are just as fun to ride. Sod to get a decent rake to carry them though, wifes has to go in the back of my car and my normal on roof.


100% would rock and could see myself using to commute to work with. However $6995 is about 3-4x more than I am willing to pay for any bicycle. For that price I'd expect it to be tailored to my size and tastes. My old Ducati dream is about that much too hmmm.


Not gonna lie, this would be something I would probably use to commute in the city with and maybe carve some bike trails in. Of course it could never replace a car for me, but where a car could get stuck in downtown rush hour traffic, a bike could just weave in and out and open the taps much easier.

also a petition to get them to market those drift trikes to production? electric drift trikes seem like a neat idea :P


Really love the features of this bike! And also because I own one :). Nice feature.


How much? These look great!

I normally go for rides as a form of stress relief, so I'll stick to a normal pedal bike for that, but I'm not in such incredible shape (not BAD shape at all, mind you) that I wouldn't get good use out of one of these on the local mountain roads I otherwise never enjoy outside of a car.


Lol, Internal Combustion on it's last breath.

That is a funny, and very untrue statement.

Companies like Mazda are constantly refining the ICE to be more and more efficient. Not to mention the fact that when it comes to range, application, and cost - the ICE still reigns supreme. Electric cars have come a long way, and I see them daily - but they are far from event attempting to wrestle ICE's grip on transportation

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of electric propulsion, but the death of the ICE is thankfully, a long time off.

Not to mention the fact that you are forgetting many of the applications for the ICE have zero electric competition. I don't see very many Semi / Haulers / Tow trucks / and other specialty vehicles that are electric. I also am pretty sure the last time I was at a track event - out of say 200 cars - not a single one was electric...

People always forget the utilitarian side of the automobile. Not every single car and application is to get you around town. There are very few, if any electric options for the "working" side of transportation.

And as others have said - man does this whole article feel like a "sponsored content" piece - regardless of if it is or not.


Tesla unveiled a while back a semi truck that they're working on.


Switch to mid mount pedal assist unit such as the one Bosch or Shimano make, and we'll have a winner. you'll lose the throttle but makes for better design IMHO; it's now a dedicated E-bike instead of a beach cruiser stuffed with hub motor.
If you're geek enough you'll notice the custom Phil Wood front hub and 13-gauge Phil Wood spokes on the rear wheel.


I love electric bikes and also love to have an electric bikes for daily commute. And I also understand the point of bringing discussion about EVs vs ICE here.
However... a BICYCLE article on a car website. You can put the greatest literature written by a world famous writer on here, but this is really off topic. Speedhunters has been a very good site with people bringing original contents from all over the world without clickbait and random off topic.
Please don't be Jalopnik #2....
Beautiful pictures BTW. but still off topic...


I have one of the limited edition Scramblers and live in Brisbane. I can’t get enough of it. My main passion is Italian Motorcycles from the seventies but this thing is a very close second. Always starts first go as well !
They seem pricey but after owning one for nearly 2 years , these are the best on the market with daylight second.


Just for perspective: I'm another person who is seriously into old cars with carburetors and manual gearboxes, enjoys road bike workouts, and when it's time to meet my pal for coffee or drop by the library I take the Vintage bike. It's a different kind of experience, it isn't passive and it's definitely fun. And lots of people enjoy seeing the E-Tracker, ask questions and appreciate hearing that it's a local business. Plus the beast is well made and always works. And giving rides always brings a big smile. Keep an open mind and give one a try. You may not buy one but at least you'll understand why others have.


You guys should also feature ONYX Motorbikes, who’re based out of San Francisco. They make an electric cafe-style model bike called RCR that features regenerative braking and a 6kW hub motor all for about $3300. This thing can hit 60mph on unrestricted mode.

Raymond Pelletier

Although not a vintage, 1st in my collection and vintage is next


There's no way vintage edge is 'the industry leader' in e bikes. Infact there is not one piece of cutting edge technology on their bikes.

They are heavy, unreliable and have f$@k all range. I've pretty much spent more time fixing mine than riding it. I got so sick of it I went an bought a real bike.
I originally thought I would keep both...but my tracker just sits at home wasting space. My new bike does everything better. It's a third of the weight with a 250w motor and goes faster, further and far more places than a tracker. It has the latest technology and won a design even connects to my phone so I can adjust settings and update the firmware. It doesn't break down and I don't get punctures.
Anyone want a VE?...located in New Zealand...its just been repaired should last a couple of rides.


Electric swapping vintage cars and bikes?
The best build of the future!




My response is "Meh" until the battery-pack comes up to spec.
Riding in a Tesla is exhilarating, what gives pause is the energy available using current-spec battery packs.
I'm not anti-ICE, I'm not pro-EV, I'm pro-driving experience.
Driving with range-anxiety is not something I'm willing to forego.
I get that you can revert to sheer pedal-power, but I'm not going to give it a pass, when it seeks to exchange motor-power for muscle-power.


I'll take that R60 off their hands if they're done with the old girl and focusing on their little mopeds.


I agree that this article seems like an advertisement. To make claims that this company is industry leading or cutting edge is absolutely ridiculous. Do they make a cool, recreational bike? Yes. But there are many other real bike and e-bike companies that offer much more. Do some research before telling people that this is the future of e-bikes. There are old mtn. bikers that haven't been able to ride in 20 years that are now able to go out and ride with their children and grandchildren on real MTB trails because of companies like Haibike, Specialized, Bosch, Yamaha, and many others.

Mohammad Akbarpour

I thought you could have likely used low f-stop for your shots but I noticed the lowest one was 4. Quite amazing!!!