Takata Equipped: Project Gt-r’s New Belts

I have always wanted proper racing harnesses. In the few instances that I’ve taken my GT-R out on track one of the things that I was always concerned about, obvious safety aside, was sliding all over the seat through corners and under hard braking. And this isn’t even only on track; ever since fitting Bridgestone RE55S semi-slick tires, taking the car on spirited mountain drives has increased this effect tenfold; the last thing you want to do when pulling over 1G in corners is having to brace yourself with your knees against the center console and the door! So I was very happy when Takata Racing became our very first official partners this year. I guess this is a perk of the job but I didn’t quite realize how damn happy I would be…

…when these two boxes were dropped off in the mail. Like a little kid at Christmas I looked and admired the package for about…uhm…0.5 sec…

…before lifting up the cover and taking a peek inside. Now I know that true authentic Takada belts are supposed to be green, but since they have recently released an all new black line up, well I thought why the hell not. Aside from the fact that they are still as recognizable as the “original” colored items, they help give a breath of fresh air to the cabin – and if you recall…

…modernizing the GT-R with subtle alterations and additions is my long term goal – so I knew these would do the job very well indeed.

I couldn’t resist taking them out of their boxes and arranging them on the floor to see what they would look like when fitted. These particular belts are called “Race 4 Snap” and are part of the “Race Series” line up. The “Snap” part of the name refers…

…to the way in which they are latched down onto the chassis. Since my GT-R is and will remain a street car, going for “bolt-down” type belts that can’t be taken out quickly is not exactly what I wanted. So at each of the four latching points, as you can see above, there are quick release end fittings.

Like any safety restraint used in motorsport the belts have a “use by date,” this particular set guaranteed until 2018, something that is specified on this label on one of the lap belts. That gives me a good 5-years of use…not bad at all.

And with the ton of fake & copied tuning and racing products that continue to hit the market, make sure you always check serial numbers and official warranties of everything you buy. Takata places this serial number tag on the other lap belt, so if you are in the market for one of these harnesses, this is the first thing you should look at before buying.

This is probably my favorite detail of these new black belts, the green little tab that you pull up when undoing the two shoulder straps.

So after getting weird looks from the wife, probably puzzled at why a grown man would play with his latest gadgets on the floor like a child…I decided to pack them back in their boxes and get ready to fit them the following day.

Each belt comes with a little bag containing eyelet bolts, washers and safety pins that help hold the snap-on latches shut when the end fitting are snapped in place.

Seeing I would have to use a few of the stock belt mounting points, Takata also sent me a few of these Bendable Snap On Kits, ingenious little brackets that would prove invaluable.

So this morning I got busy. After a night of rainfall I had to first dry the car cover my GT-R spends most of its time under…

…before I proceeded to remove it. I never ever cover the car unless its completely clean and dust-free and to avoid the inner side of the cover to scratch the paint finish while it flaps around in the wind I always lay a few old sheets for extra protection. Seems to have worked for close to a decade now.

With the crazy work schedule I’ve had since the beginning of the year, the GT-R has been sitting unused, and just as I assumed the battery was a little on the flat side. Thankfully however…

…my trusty car charger is never far away so I quickly plugged it in to allow it to bring voltage back to normal level and recondition the Optima battery that I fitted years ago (one of the best upgrades I’ve ever done BTW, GT-R owners out there will know what I’m talking about as the battery Nissan fitted would probably be too small for a Eunos Roadster – actually I’m pretty sure it’s the same sized item!)

Anyway, with the charger plugged in and doing its thing, I moved into the interior where, to get going, I needed to first remove the rear bench seat.

This is a very straight forward exercise as it’s only held in place by two Torx bolts. With these removed…

…you simply pull up and slide it away…

…revealing the exposed floor of the chassis.

Thankfully Nissan, next to each central rear-belt mounting point, already added an additional threaded anchor point.

To expose it you just remove the plastic cap…

…and screw one of the Takata eyelets firmly down. That’s one latch point taken care of.

For the second one I had to use the bolt-point where the retractable rear seat belts are mounted.

This is where those bendable brackets came in handy, easily bent upward to the most appropriate angle with a pair of pliers, a towel to avoid scratching them and of course a little force.

And voilà the shoulder straps snapped into place…

…on the passenger side too. Now before anyone comments on these latch points, yes I am well aware they are not the best way to mount harnesses. Unfortunately my car isn’t a race car nor does it have a roll cage or harness bar. This is what almost everyone in Japan does with harnesses and while it’s not optimal, it’s borderline passable. I will be looking into a harness bar in the future so any advice on what is out there would be much appreciated.

On to the lap belts. Since there are no other pre-drilled and threaded points I can use I had to pop off the plastic cover to the retractable driver side belt…

…and use that as the right mount.

On the left side the sturdy seat rail mount came in handy, again to gain access to it I had to remove the plastic clip-on cover that usually hides the exposed metal.

With all four points of the belts clipped in I then secured them with these pins that are included in each harness package.

I actually ran out of bendable brackets so only completed the installation for the driver side; above are the plastic covers that needed to be removed to gain access to the bolts. These no longer fit as the bendable brackets are in the way. However with a bit of patience and a little plastic saw I bet I can make them fit again!

So this is what the belts look like when fitted. I have to say they really do look much better than sitting on the floor and sort of make the tacky seat fabric Nissan chose in the late nineties for the R34’s upholstery, seem rather dated.

It’s all in the details!

I am very glad I ended up going with the black ones as they really do look very modern and give that fresh feel to the cabin that I was looking for.

What would look even better is a set of matching black shoulder pads.

Now all I need to do next is find some time to take the car down to Hakone and give these belts a proper test!

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1

Looks awesome Dino ;-)

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Really enjoying these personal articles.

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U should get some nice Recaros over at ASM, along with the future harness bar. ;) congrats on the new harnesses! Looking forward to another post! Hope u wont get sent some Slammed Society coilovers! HAHA!

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They look great Dino. I have to admit fitting harnesses to anything I could bend with a set of pliers would worry me slightly. Although I'm welcome to someone pointing out to me that they're some kind of super metal and I'm just being overly sceptical lol. Your right on the seat material, its definitely not standing the test of time. Maybe just a retrim in something darker and more modern will do the job though?

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Beautiful car. Some spots of rust though which surprises me, but it only looks like disposable stuff.
Time for some bucket seats?

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No offence but they are not installed correctly or safely. Have a read of the instructions that came with them.
'Shoulder belts must run from the shoulders horizontally or down, at no more than a 20° angle'
 
The angle from the shoulder / seat to the floor is to much.
 
Again not having a go, but just letting you know.
My first harness install was similar, infact worse, however i have learnt my lesson, now i am very passionate about motorsport safety.

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No offence but I really wish sites like this would stop propagating the rumour that securing harnesses like this is safe... It's not, you're better off with the standard 3 point safety belt and airbag the car originally came with than a poorly secured harness (as seen above...), I'm not trying to have a go but it really is very unsafe.

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Also a 4 point harness can be worse then a 3 point, in a high g force frontal impact, as the vehicle slows down (crashes) your body will want to keep going in the direction it was, forward, with a 4 point, as your shoulders go forward the belts will tend to pull you down, without a anti-sub belt (crotch strap) like you have on a 5 point, or twin on a 6 point, your torso can slide under the lap belts, which were pulled up as you tightened the shoulder straps!
 
Also can cause alot of damage with your neck / spine.
 
With a factory 3 point, the torso / upper body will rotate, helping to absorb some of the energy
 
Obviously the best is 5 or 6 point, mounted properly with roll cage, helmet and HANS device ect.

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As some people already mentioned, this looks WAY unsafe. I'd take the stock 3 point over this any day, especially when it is as poorly installed as yours.
Remember: A cool brand name will not safe your life, Dino.

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Ah i want to possibly clear up my last comment about the 4 point being unsafe due to no anti sub strap.Just read the Takata 4 point has 'Anti Sub Marining Technology' which mentioned the dangers i have, however to help the issue the harness does the following;
 
'In a severe impact, an energy converter on the shoulder belt containing the asm system, releases an extra length of webbing allowing the upper torso to slightly rotate, which tensions the lap belt asymmetrically, thus preventing submarining under the lap belt.'
 
Intresting, and due to that, all Takata harnesses with the 'ASM' technology CANNOT and should not be used with a HANS device

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Dino, I enjoyed all of your pics and blogs, RIP.

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I seriously wouldnt trust those bendable brackets, they look incredibly weak and flimsy... i cant believe a company like takata would supply such an item to fit, what is, the main safety feature of any vehicle. 
 
You need to bolt the shoulder straps higher up if you want to that kind of setup/comprimise without a harness bar or roll cage.

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also your back seats are now rendered useless...

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the bendable brackets do seem a bit short-lived if you use the harnesses a lot (lots of trackdays/spirited driving).  +1 on a harness bar.  i guess nissan though thought of their owners adding aftermarket harnesses with the extra mounting holes on the rear seats eh?

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speedhunters_dino

I would love to fit decent seats trust me.  I actually saw some stunning Recaros at TAS. Love at first sight!  ASM?

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speedhunters_dino

Good to hear!

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@Robo_No1 Well you know, if Takada sells these, I trust they have done the necessary testing.  I am sure they have so I've got no problems using them :)  As for retrim, always wanted black alcantara/suede everywhere...dash included!

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@aussieANON No rust mate, it's the caked on yellow foam/glue from the seat padding;)

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Yes I did mention it's far from ideal but I'm not going to start drilling my shell no am I lol

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and latest update on larry's pride and joy  datsun, new engine, majjor changes,
dino's datsun, jdm hella tyte yo seatbelts , and the fanbois go wild

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speedhunters_dino

@Qu1N7 I knew this post would get tons of comments like this :)

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speedhunters_dino

@aussieANON The rust spots are actually caked on foam padding/glue from the seat

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I like these black belts a whole lot better than the bright green ones.

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I made a big stupid grin when I saw the cover off  the car :) I really like the black belts as opposed to the green ones; maybe it's time to get one for my little MR2!

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This car is perfect. NO idea why everyone is hating on those mounts, if they were unsafe, they wouldn't sell them.

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They look really nice, really complement the seats. I can't believe you don't have a permanent shelter for your car! Id cry having if i ever had to leave my car outside with a cover on it.
 
On those brackets, i think they seem ok. If you actually managed to get into an accident with a force that managed to break them i think you would have bigger problems to worry about than snapped seat belt brackets.

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@777 Who can forget the riveting tale of the who why when how why when then and how he chose to have a pink rocker cover from the former last seasons retired ex upgraded time attack sil1318014240sx thats all his friends signature mod. Agreed, It was edge of your seat literature.

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@777 Who can forget that same one person that usually seems to have something negative to say about anything or everything within everyones posts. Remember this is a free site delivered to its viewers at zero cost to us, be thankful its filled with such large amounts of awesome content from around the world. I read this post just to look at this beautiful new belts.I think with the weight distributed over all the mounting brackets they would be safe enough but if you were to get serious like Dino mentions a proper brace would be required. Very jealous Dino, love the new belts!

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Those mounting brackets are... disconcerting. How much force did you apply to bend them into place? I imagine you'll see far, far greater loads in sustained hard cornering and especially in an accident. The belts look cool, but I seriously recommend that you leave these off the car until you can get them properly mounted. Remember that, in your role on this well-read site, you're setting an example for auto enthusiasts - please don't give people the wrong idea about what's safe. I love your car and I enjoy your articles, so I'd like to see you healthy so they can continue.

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@speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 
 
Well, it's true, and it sounds like you know it's true, otherwise you wouldn't have spent a paragraph defending yourself in the article. This site is read by a ton of people, a good portion of which you've just convinced this is a safe way to mount their belts. It's unsafe, and it's irresponsible to share it on this blog. It's not just "sub-optimal", it's worse than the standard 3-point. You've made your car more likely to kill you in the event of a crash. Don't try and pass it off as anything else. The responsible thing to do would be a follow-up post letting everyone know they SHOULD NOT do this under any circumstances, whether they have a track car or not.

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Sorry Dino, have to agree with most of the other guys here; those bendy brackets look seriously unsafe. The fact they are that malleable would suggest they are not capable of enduring serious stress. Also, the mounting points might be passable with proper hardcore certified racing seats, but I'm not so sure the standard seats would provide adequate rigidity against the downward force of the shoulder harness in a big crash.
 
Pretty sure nobody is ragging on you just for the hell of it, but rather just want you to be safe!
 
Quite surprised Takata supply those brackets to be honest, but then again they make the cheap tacky steering wheels for transit vans too...

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Schroth makes an ASM belt that has quick clip in's so you can use it for autox or a track day and then take it out for driving on the road.
 
I've always been of the mind that there are two types of safety systems:
1) airbags, 3 point, seats with headrests meant to cradle the head/neck during a collision. ie the "floppy human"
2) roll bar/cage, helmet, harnesses with harness bar, seat with headrest meant to accommodate a helmet  on the head. ie the "be a part of the car"
 
Each system is made for different types of impact and other safety and convenience factors.  One is for driving on the road with good visibility to the sides, movement in the cabin, comfort on long rides, and ease of entry and exit.  The other is for more extreme conditions where harder head on impacts are likely, where rolling over has a greater possibility of happening.
 
Mixing and matching is never a good idea:
-roll bar/cage without a helmet -> danger to the head and body even with "padding"
-race seat without helmet -> some possibility of neck injury during head on/rear end accidents
-helmet on the street -> bad visibility to the sides (ask a motorcycle rider)
-harness and nothing else -> submarining, previously mentioned neck/head cradling parts of the seat won't work properly, air bag won't soften the blow, etc.

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When the cover came off I heard Burlesque music in the back of my head :P

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@speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 Why have a smiley about people legitimately concerned for both your safety and the image this post is spreading, which places the appearance of safety over safety itself?If you're not going to use the rear seats anyway, at least get a harness bar. But don't pass this off as a safety improvement.

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Hey Dino nice car!!  Just mounted the same Takata harnesses (green ones) in my bayside bnr34 and i didnt use any of those thin plates!!
If you take your original bolts out,the M11 eyebolt will fit right in two holes (four in total) under the backseat,and the one in the side of the car. However they will not fit in the hole in the driveshaft tunnel because thats m10 treaded (dont remember the tread pitch right now )all bolts for the seat are factory M10 and for the original seatbelt mounting M11 tread
Derefore i took one of my four eyebolts and put it in a lathe(hope thats the correct word*) and cut it down to 10mm an reatreded it =)
these plates for your seatbelts dont match up with your car at all =)
 
keep up the good work

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Wow that's a shit ton of pics and explanation for a simple harness install.
I hope you're not gonna keep the harness attached in that location (while MANY Japanese fail to understand safety), having the harness attached like that can cause spine compression during an accident.
Also, you should have got a racing bucket seat instead. A much better upgrade. The bucket seat WOULD hold you in place during high g cornering. While the Takata would too, the stock seat don't have enough later support to hold you in place.....but what do I know!

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Please DO mount an harness bar!! Your rear seats aren't usable anyway...
And why not let a pro mount your seatbelts? Just for peace of mind of everybody..

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"borderline passable"? Are you kidding?
Many SCCA/NASA rule books state that the harness angle shouldn't be more than 10 degree. Yours is clearly in the 45 degree range.
A suggestion? Sparco makes a bar that bolts across the b-pillar OE seat belt points. Look into it before its too late!

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i don't know why everyone is saying to use a harness bar.  they are even more dangerous. its either:-4 point harness like this with ASM
OR
-full roll cage setup

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WIDEMRLOVESMYNUTS

You are very passionate.. You and your over dramatic friends should spend more time working on your own cars and less time criticizing others. No where on this article was it listed as a DIY. This was not a write up on how people should install belts. He was just sharing how he had chose to install his new belts. Get over yourselves.  I'm sure if you posted your cars we could find plenty of discrepancies to it apart with. You are the definition of tools.

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I have the exact same harnesses :D Bought from Demon Tweeks after I saw the adjacent Takata stand at Autosport International.
 
Didn't get NOR would I want to use the "bendable snap on kit" though..

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No, we are not tools.  Don't hide behind calling people "haters" or "tools" because they are trying to inform someone of safety.
 
These aren't opinions about safety.  The angles are chosen by sanctioning bodies after careful engineering and testing.  
 
It is the difference between telling someone their paint job is ugly (in poor taste) and telling them it wasn't done well (poor technique that will lead to future issues).  We did the equivalent of telling them it wasn't done well and told them how to fix it.  You seem to have mistaken informing someone of a better way to do something for an critical opinion. 
 
(yes, I see your handle, and I recognized that you are possibly/probably trolling. Subtle troll is subtle...)

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Nice car and fine belts, but PLEASE instal them higher. If you crash your car, you can kiss you collarbones good bye. Find a hard spot on your car´s  back deck or make a bar for your belts.

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Oooo I really like the design of those.  I never liked the bright green Takata but the black ones are nice.  I'll have to look into those as I need a harness badly.  Stock seatbelt + bucket isn't cutting it.

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You should really look into how to properly install harnesses before posting how-tos on such a widely read and respected site. The angle of the belts to the rear mounting points will cause your spine to compress in the event of a crash, possibly causing paralysis. Mounting them at a proper angle or installing a harness bar to correct the angle of the force is necessary for safety. Please try to be more responsible in your publications in the future

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Cool post on the installation! It would be cool to see you post another article on how to set up the angle too. That would really complete it!

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Spinal compression much? I really hope these never have to function. Try to shoot for 30 degrees or less of angle.

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Spinal compression much?

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Here is a link to pretty much all the information you could possibly want about how to properly and safely install harnesses.
 
http://www.schrothracing.com/sdocs/2009_Competition_Instructions.pdf

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@jimmyhoffa Schroth also has their Rallye 4 and Quick-Fit 4-point harnesses mount to the rear seat belt anchor points. They're also approved by the TÜV and DOT. I think they are the only harness to have DOT approval. I know even the FIA approves mounting a harness up to a -45º angle from the shoulder, but +/-10º is what they recommend.Dino also stated that he's looking into a harness bar to reduce the angle of the harness from the shoulder. He obviously posted that statement because he knew people would tell him to mount them higher.If you don't want the look of the harnesses in your car but still want to be held firmly in your seat using the stock 3-point belt, look into the CG-Lock.

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What do any of you safety experts know about crash safety and design of harnesses? I'm not sure what approving safety organizations Takata has to go through for this 4-point harness, but I know Schroth has a very similar system that is mounted the same way and approved by the likes of the TÜV and DOT. They've gone through crash testing with all hardware and components mounted as they instruct their customers to do. I recently got flak about my Schroth harnesses on a forum I frequent. I'd say it's a good idea to install these if they've been tested thoroughly and have been deemed to be as safe as the factory belt system from proper safety organizations. The webbing in the factory belts do weaken over time, and installing proper harnesses may even be safer.

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Schroth uses the same bendy brackets in their harness systems mounted the same way as these Takata harnesses. They have DOT and TÜV safety approval and have been through crash testing.

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Ok, I get the sponsor thing and you want to showcase their product, but you didn't even follow TAKATA'S install instructions for these belts!!! Lots of uninformed people come to this site and will only see the pictures and may use them as a guide to improperly install some of their own harnesses. Most will not see this comment, so I would hope you will do the right thing.
 
 
http://www.takataracing.com/docs/Takata_Competition_Instructions.pdf
 
Takata Installation and Operating Instructions - Race Models - Page 4:
 
Shoulder Belt Routing:
- Shoulder belts must run from the shoulders horizontally or down, at no more than a 20* angle. (Your's are at 45* or greater!)
- For the best restraint of the occupant's upper torso, anchor points should not be further back than 200mm [8"] from back of user's seat. (Your's is much further than 8" as well.)
- In the event that the anchor points are further towards the rear of the vehicle [e.g. using a roll cage bar for wrap around attachment] the distance between the anchorages will narrow or even cross over as described in following graphs.
- It is especially crucial to follow this strap routing when a Head And Neck Support is in use.
 
- ...If shoulder belt anchor points are further back in the vehicle, the belts should be closer together at their mounting points, even crossing depending on the distance of the anchor points. (This does NOT mean install them wherever the eyelets thread in...)
 
 

As I can see from the other comments regarding the improper installation, you are not responding to anything pertaining to your install being wrong. You should either install the belts the proper way as per Takata's instructions or take this post down. Although it is advertising for them, I can't imagine Takata appreciates this.
 
p.s. - Just because a company sells something does NOT mean it is safe; like extremely thin malleable brackets that hold you and your passenger's lives in their hands. Their website even says "Do not bend back and forth as this will weaken the metal and could result in unsafe conditions..." That does not give me a warm and fuzzy. I certainly wouldn't trust that bracket with my or a loved one's life. 
 
p.p.s. - The argument that, "just because everyone else is doing it means its ok" is also a joke.
 
Not trying to be a jerk, just callin it as I see it. Some of this is oppinion, but there's a bunch of fact in there too.
 
Pete

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@WIDEMR Schroth touts a similar ASM feature on their DOT-approved Rallye 4 belts. I have a pair in my Merkur (installed with a shoulder-height harness bar made of DOM tubing.). Interestingly, the Rallye 4 ASM incorporates the pliable metal mounting straps by stitching a loop around them: http://www.schrothracing.com/tuning/rallye/rallye-4

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@RLee90 THIS ^

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Now all you need is a pair of kevlar Brides ;)  I must however agree with most of the people here, those belts are NOT properly mounted !! They should be a safety upgrade, not a downgrade.

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Suddenly everyone is a physics professor. Dino, the belts look great and I'm sure you have weighed the pros and cons of mounting a system like this, you don't need everyone else spelling it out for you. I'm sure they will help with all the spirited driving that you seem to get into, hope you enjoy them :)

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Thanks for a quick post Dino, it's cool to see your R34 really coming along! I just got the exact same harnesses in the mail last week (although I'm going with the rollbar install approach). I was really torn between the classic green ones and these, but I agree they look quite a bit more contemporary, especially on a more subtle build.

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Thanks for a quick post Dino, it's cool to see your R34 really coming along! I just got the exact same harnesses in the mail last week (although I'm going with the rollbar install approach). I was really torn between the classic green ones and these, but I agree they look quite a bit more contemporary, especially on a more subtle build.

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Thanks for a quick post Dino, it's cool to see your R34 really coming along! I just got the exact same harnesses in the mail last week (although I'm going with the rollbar install approach). I was really torn between the classic green ones and these, but I agree they look quite a bit more contemporary, especially on a more subtle build.

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But that means you can only have 1 friend at a time. Unless like me you dont have any anyway.

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But that means you can only have 1 friend at a time. Unless like me you dont have any anyway.

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But that means you can only have 1 friend at a time. Unless like me you dont have any anyway.

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@RLee90 Fair point, not seen these brackets before. Personally I still find the concept scary though, if you can bend them that easily I do wonder what happens to them when they are exposed to the sort of forces you get in a collision.

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@RLee90 Fair point, not seen these brackets before. Personally I still find the concept scary though, if you can bend them that easily I do wonder what happens to them when they are exposed to the sort of forces you get in a collision.

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@RLee90 Fair point, not seen these brackets before. Personally I still find the concept scary though, if you can bend them that easily I do wonder what happens to them when they are exposed to the sort of forces you get in a collision.

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Do things right or don't do them at all

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Do things right or don't do them at all

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Do things right or don't do them at all

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Oosh these look good! Such a great decision to make them in black too!

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Oosh these look good! Such a great decision to make them in black too!

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Oosh these look good! Such a great decision to make them in black too!

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and yet, cars are sold throughout the world, by the OEM's, with buckets and rollbars...from the factory.  Some cars even have harnesses, and yet, are fully DOT approved
 
moral of the story, there are no universal truths when it comes to this stuff.  Everything is very much application specific
 
fwiw, the new Takata Drift Series harnesses are able to be installed to factory mount locations. 
 
http://www.takataracing.com/technology
 
The Race series used here, are not, so at a minimum, a harness bar really should be used.    Again, there are no iron clad truths when it comes to a harness bar.  Some cars accept them easily, and they work quite well.  Other cars, not so much.  No idea which category an R34 falls into
 
fwiw part 2 - Takata is probably the world's largest OEM seatbelt manufacturer.  Their seatbelts, airbags, are used in tons of cars, from the factory.  Knowing what I know about them, and similar brackets used by other large harness manufacturers, if they were not able to be effectively used, and were not safe, Takata wouldn't make them in the first place.   That;s not a moniker I would tag every other manufacturer with, but Takata is a firm, much like Schroth, that can be trusted when it comes to their design.   It would not surprise me if Takata was using Schroth to make these belts for them...afterall Takata owns Schroth as of last year.  Schroth being part of a larger German company (Takata bought the parent company as I recall), the Takata Race and Drift series harnesses are German made.  The MPH series are made in Japan

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and yet, cars are sold throughout the world, by the OEM's, with buckets and rollbars...from the factory.  Some cars even have harnesses, and yet, are fully DOT approved
 
moral of the story, there are no universal truths when it comes to this stuff.  Everything is very much application specific
 
fwiw, the new Takata Drift Series harnesses are able to be installed to factory mount locations. 
 
http://www.takataracing.com/technology
 
The Race series used here, are not, so at a minimum, a harness bar really should be used.    Again, there are no iron clad truths when it comes to a harness bar.  Some cars accept them easily, and they work quite well.  Other cars, not so much.  No idea which category an R34 falls into
 
fwiw part 2 - Takata is probably the world's largest OEM seatbelt manufacturer.  Their seatbelts, airbags, are used in tons of cars, from the factory.  Knowing what I know about them, and similar brackets used by other large harness manufacturers, if they were not able to be effectively used, and were not safe, Takata wouldn't make them in the first place.   That;s not a moniker I would tag every other manufacturer with, but Takata is a firm, much like Schroth, that can be trusted when it comes to their design.   It would not surprise me if Takata was using Schroth to make these belts for them...afterall Takata owns Schroth as of last year.  Schroth being part of a larger German company (Takata bought the parent company as I recall), the Takata Race and Drift series harnesses are German made.  The MPH series are made in Japan

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and yet, cars are sold throughout the world, by the OEM's, with buckets and rollbars...from the factory.  Some cars even have harnesses, and yet, are fully DOT approved
 
moral of the story, there are no universal truths when it comes to this stuff.  Everything is very much application specific
 
fwiw, the new Takata Drift Series harnesses are able to be installed to factory mount locations. 
 
http://www.takataracing.com/technology
 
The Race series used here, are not, so at a minimum, a harness bar really should be used.    Again, there are no iron clad truths when it comes to a harness bar.  Some cars accept them easily, and they work quite well.  Other cars, not so much.  No idea which category an R34 falls into
 
fwiw part 2 - Takata is probably the world's largest OEM seatbelt manufacturer.  Their seatbelts, airbags, are used in tons of cars, from the factory.  Knowing what I know about them, and similar brackets used by other large harness manufacturers, if they were not able to be effectively used, and were not safe, Takata wouldn't make them in the first place.   That;s not a moniker I would tag every other manufacturer with, but Takata is a firm, much like Schroth, that can be trusted when it comes to their design.   It would not surprise me if Takata was using Schroth to make these belts for them...afterall Takata owns Schroth as of last year.  Schroth being part of a larger German company (Takata bought the parent company as I recall), the Takata Race and Drift series harnesses are German made.  The MPH series are made in Japan

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Okay...so you know that mounting harnesses in this way is unsafe, yet you did it anyway. Tell me, why exactly did you install harnesses when you had nothing to mount them to? You realize that your stock seatbelts are safer than those harnesses as they are currently installed, right? But, scoring mad tyte JDM scene points is more important than surviving car crashes, I guess.

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Okay...so you know that mounting harnesses in this way is unsafe, yet you did it anyway. Tell me, why exactly did you install harnesses when you had nothing to mount them to? You realize that your stock seatbelts are safer than those harnesses as they are currently installed, right? But, scoring mad tyte JDM scene points is more important than surviving car crashes, I guess.

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Okay...so you know that mounting harnesses in this way is unsafe, yet you did it anyway. Tell me, why exactly did you install harnesses when you had nothing to mount them to? You realize that your stock seatbelts are safer than those harnesses as they are currently installed, right? But, scoring mad tyte JDM scene points is more important than surviving car crashes, I guess.

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@RLee90 The harnesses themselves are perfectly fine, but they are mounted in a very dangerous and incorrect way.

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@RLee90 The harnesses themselves are perfectly fine, but they are mounted in a very dangerous and incorrect way.

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@RLee90 The harnesses themselves are perfectly fine, but they are mounted in a very dangerous and incorrect way.

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I think we get the point, people. Saying the same thing 60+ times is getting old.

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I think we get the point, people. Saying the same thing 60+ times is getting old.

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I think we get the point, people. Saying the same thing 60+ times is getting old.

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@speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 
Since the belts will only be used on a track (and in my opinion SHOULD only be used on a track) then what does it matter, the chance of a front on impact on the track is minor and therefore the risk minimal enough to not even care if a frontal impact could cause spinal compression. The chance of it happening is so miniscule. Everyones just jumping on the Safety bandway when no one seems to complain about 99% of any other mods performed on cars...

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@speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 
Since the belts will only be used on a track (and in my opinion SHOULD only be used on a track) then what does it matter, the chance of a front on impact on the track is minor and therefore the risk minimal enough to not even care if a frontal impact could cause spinal compression. The chance of it happening is so miniscule. Everyones just jumping on the Safety bandway when no one seems to complain about 99% of any other mods performed on cars...

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@speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 
Since the belts will only be used on a track (and in my opinion SHOULD only be used on a track) then what does it matter, the chance of a front on impact on the track is minor and therefore the risk minimal enough to not even care if a frontal impact could cause spinal compression. The chance of it happening is so miniscule. Everyones just jumping on the Safety bandway when no one seems to complain about 99% of any other mods performed on cars...

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@RichC Dibs on the GT-R

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@RichC Dibs on the GT-R

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@RichC Dibs on the GT-R

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@LukeHuxham  @777 And who can forget the suck up who rushes to the defense of the guy who he once saw mentioned in a magazine in the hopes that he would reply to his comment.

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@LukeHuxham  @777 And who can forget the suck up who rushes to the defense of the guy who he once saw mentioned in a magazine in the hopes that he would reply to his comment.

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@LukeHuxham  @777 And who can forget the suck up who rushes to the defense of the guy who he once saw mentioned in a magazine in the hopes that he would reply to his comment.

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LAWL at all the hate, why dont you install some HIDs into stock housings while youre at it and just light the whole interwebs aflame! Belts look great, always loved Takata products.  These are on my short list

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LAWL at all the hate, why dont you install some HIDs into stock housings while youre at it and just light the whole interwebs aflame! Belts look great, always loved Takata products.  These are on my short list

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LAWL at all the hate, why dont you install some HIDs into stock housings while youre at it and just light the whole interwebs aflame! Belts look great, always loved Takata products.  These are on my short list

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LAWL at all the hate, why dont you install some HIDs into stock housings while youre at it and just light the whole interwebs aflame! Belts look great, always loved Takata products.  These are on my short list

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@speedhunters_dino That's all good then. I was going to say...
Very nice car though. I love the series of pictures with it being taken out from under the cover. Like a beast trying to escape....

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@speedhunters_dino That's all good then. I was going to say...
Very nice car though. I love the series of pictures with it being taken out from under the cover. Like a beast trying to escape....

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Dunno where most of the people commenting are from but personally, I've maybe a couple times in my life seen someone with correctly mounted harnesses in street cars. it'll be fine, under the type of driving dino will be doing im sure. If he were to get serious then proper brace would ofcourse be a good choice.

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This is what the whole "stance" and "form over function" thing has come to: Anyone who calls you out on your bs is a "hater." Who cares if they raise legitimate points regarding personal safety? They just don't get it, right? 
 
You guys are all acting like everyone who posted regarding the safety of this installation is just hating on his style or whatever. Like this is some sort of vinyl wrap we don't agree with. NOPE! These mounting points are actually unsafe; if you don't believe this and think it's a matter of opinion, refer to the instructions, or the regulations of ANY racing body in the world in re: mounting and also belt angles.
 
"Oh it's okay, it's a a street car lol" - what, does this apply to other unsafe crap? Just because other people do it it's okay? Is driving around with the belts showing through your tires okay if you're just cruising?
 
The ignorance and idiocy of all the style -> function people in here is ridiculous

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I think what everyone is trying to say is that we all want whats best for the car. It's a legend, so there's not much out there that seems good enough for it. Idk... My 2 cents... Btw, you're the man, Dino! My god, I wish!

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They won't significantly weaken if you don't bend them one way, then back the other way. That would stretch and weaken the metal. In the install, they intend for them to be bent in one direction once into the angle you need. In my opinion, these brackets would be just as sketchy as using factory anchor points, which are just holes with threads with a high grade bolt installed, but factory anchors are designed to withstand approximately (if I can recall) hundreds if not thousands of pounds of force over several seconds.

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Ooh you've got a point there. Schroth does mention in their instructions that the tail straps should be crossed if not fixed to a location within 200mm of the shoulder point, or something along those lines.

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Well, after letting all the comments accumulate I can only say thanks for all your input.  It's quite sad that a lot of you don't seem to read the actual text, as you will notice that I did mentioned I will be going for a harness bar to get the rear straps fitted properly. I even asked for suggestions on which one to go for:
 
"I will be looking into a harness bar in the future so any advice on what is out there would be much appreciated."
 
...but not one of you had any constructive comments to add on this specific point. As many of you know, upgrades to project cars happen in steps, so I consider the first step of the "harness mounting." So, again, while I do appreciate all your concerns, can we move a long and have a decent discussion on the point at hand? I have yet to see anyone suggesting a good harness bar...
 
Let's stay civil here, we are all in it for the fun, negativity brings us absolutely nowhere.
 
Dino
 
PS Just for fun, do a search on Minkara for "Takata" or "MPH-341" and have a look at how 99% of people in Japan mount harnesses ;) Call it a cultural thing but much like roll cages, the Japanese have other ways of doing things...
 
PPS For those that have suggested I get the belts mounted professionally I have contacted two shops. After looking at my post they have confirmed they would have mounted them in exactly the same way :)

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@speedhunters_dino Although I don't know of any quality R34 GT-R harness bar options (Surely there are better suggestions on Minkara than on Speedhunters where a majority of folks are in a market with no access to the R34), I think most people are trying to say that while upgrades happen in steps, they should be in sensible steps.
 
Everyone has a safety engineer degree obviously, but while Takata and the Japanese tuner industry call this first step of yours safe, the solution seems to fly in the face of all other standards of road safety in other countries/companies. If you had planned to go with a harness bar solution from the beginning, why not hold off on any sort of harness upgrade until you can do it properly? 
 
I don't think people are trying to be haters as much as they are trying to point out the risk you're taking by adhering to this setup. I think it is indeed a cultural thing. Maybe the Japanese aftermarket has a lesser standard of safety than is established in other regions/companies (this is NOT saying Japanese don't care about safety, very different statement). 
 
In any case, people seem to feel that to justify this setup as just a first step that's temporary until you determine which harness bar to get is like saying running without the stock seatbelts is a temporary step until you put in the replacement harnesses...yeah it's a step in the process but it's not a sensible step in which to pause at and drive on the road or track...
 
Good luck with completing your harness solution. I hope you find a good quality harness bar soon that fits your budget.

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His car, his decisions. Everyone else can fuck off.

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@speedhunters_dino I beg you differ! I said, and read it again, look into Sparco. They make steel bars that bolt on to the OE pick up point of the stock seat belts.

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What i find funny is that the majority of cars seen with harnesses DO NOT have harness bars and i don't see people on car websites talking about that. All they ever speak about is how nice the car looks or how nice the engine set up is. These are American car websites that I'm speaking of by the way. Also it may not be an optimal setup as compared to a full on harness bar and harness fitting but regular seat  belts aren't optimal as compared to a proper racing harness setup either. Also to note, regular seat belts cut across and bruise the chest very easily when the circumstances are right. Therefore regular seat belts have that added disadvantage. Dino also stated the type of harness they were so given that and the fact that it is a street car whereby the back seat would be going in and out of the car, he basically chose the application he wanted.  I agree with Tom below but with a much more civil comment. Everyone has their opinions but take the opinions to the other million car blogs and sites you guys frequent too because i have NEVER seen anyone say anything before on the topic within the comments section on these other sites. So spread the gospel lol

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:)

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@JDMized OK that's more like it, far more constructive.  Thanks guys

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BTW those bendable brackets are FIA approved:
 
http://www.andare.jp/catalog/schroth/belt-accessories.html  (scroll down)
 
Right, so that's one aspect we can stop lecturing on. Yes? ;)

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@speedhunters_dino May also be worth just finding one and test fitting it, my guess is one for an s14 would work if there is a bit of adjustment in it.  I used an SC300 bar for my 84 Corolla once upon a time, and it worked just fine. Maybe a local used parts store would have something of use, and you could always do a quick test fit in the parking lot!  Don't forget to post photos of these used parts stores to make all of us in the USA jealous!

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lol, second mod, TAKATAs.  First mod Optima battery.

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Well that turned into a sh*t storm before I even got the chance to be a part of it haha. Don't really understand the hate on this one though, mounting belts like that is really common practice and fairly safe for a street car. I would be tempted to drill my own holes and use the eyelets exclusively, but those bendable brackets still look fine for an application like this and should be at least as strong as the stock belt setup. Maybe stronger actually since the force of an impact would be spread around 4 points rather than 2. And on a street car like this, I could see the appeal to a removable/temporary setup over an intrusive harness bar.
 
Anyways, nice write up as usual and thanks for sharing your car with us. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes next.

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@JDMized What you dont know....way to pile on even after he clearly stated that he knows its not the final placing for those belts *smh*  not just bad criticism now, you've upped your ante.

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is this gtr in the states?

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@Hanma Thanks for your comments Hanma:)

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What?

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I do both those things lol whoops! But what does belts showing through tires and incorrectly mounted harnesses have to do with style?

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@Bridges

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The belts and brackets are fine as they have been approved by governing bodies and authorities, the rear install location is the issue as pointed out by a handful of on the ball people. How other people can call these guys haters is beyond belief as they are knowledgable and are caring for the safety of the user.
 
Irrepsective of being a 'street car' if an incident happens, whether on the street or the track there is no second guessing how fast or in what direction the impact will come, so to have belts fitted incorrectly is potentially more dangerous thank safe.
 
SH, do your homework guys, you are good at taking pics but when demonstrating the fitment of safety equipment (or any other equipment for that matter) you could find yourself in a tricky position should someone follow your lead and have injury caused through it, or simply add a disclaimer or better still err on the side of caution and dont do it! I appreciate Takata are a site sponsor and you are trying to do the right thing by them but dont compromise yourself.
 
Black or Green, Green or Black that is the question :-)

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Is it all ok then if you use the std seat belt with the harness at the same time ?
Must be twice as safe right?

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Who cares what "other" shops say?! If it is deemed unsafe by Takata's own instruction manual you shouldn't install them like that! What is the dillema here? You installed them wrong and put it up on a high traffic, influential, trendy website which some may use as a baseline for their own ill-guided installs. Sure, you can tell yourself you're doing it right and that you can't be held responsible for what happens to others, but you're not doing it right. This is a legitimate safety concern and should not be copied. A harnesses' job is to save your life. As a biproduct it holds you in place while cornering, accelerating, and braking. You have installed it in such a way that it will actually hurt you in an accident.
 
Safety is the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY in racing and this article is simply spitting on that fact because it looks cool and they're a SH sponsor. Shame on SpeedHunters. Safety should NEVER come second to anything, let alone looks.
 
I use to come to SH multiple times a day and read every article. Now I find myself "drifting" away because of things like this, logging on less than three times a week. Form over function and brand plugging is taking over here too.

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So are you gonna hit up Hakone with Thomas and I once it gets warmer? Would be pretty awesome to have my bayside 32 followed by his purple 33 and you behind him blasting up the toyo turnpike

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If I can remember my early solid mechanics class, the axial and sheer stresses are different to the bending stress. like a paper clip, you can easily bend it back and forth until it fractures. but to try and break one by pulling on the ends its almost impossible. just a logical guess but im assuming these brakets have a similar characteristic.
 
i see where people are going with these concerns. im sure a younger version of me would take your install as "proper" without any hessitation, but i think if there are some safety issues i think they should be voiced to keep audiences aware.
 
it was mentioned that crossing the belts may provide better support if the latch points are far enough, does that apply to you? with the easy latches shouldnt be a hard step in the right direction

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I'm not only targeting SH here, as a lot of other automotive journalists/publications do the same, but "the culture is different in Japan" isn't really an excuse. Safety is safety. Quite frankly it's appalling that even some of the top end time attack cars in Japan have shitty bolt-in or non-existent roll cages and poorly installed harnesses (among other things).
I also believe there's a difference between constructive criticism and "haters" a lot of people seem to forget about. Instantly dismissing someone as a "hater" simply because they dare say anything negative is becoming an increasingly common occurrence.
Just my 2 cents.

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@speedhunters_dino The problem is that you stated in the same paragraph that this was somehow OK because "they do it Japan" and "it's not a racecar." This is not an excuse for putting a part in your car that will hurt you in the event of an accident. You cannot argue that what you've done is safe. 
 
If you said, I'm doing this, but you guys shouldn't, under any cirsumstances. These belts are just for looks, etc. or whatever, that would be one thing. What you've done is try and convince others that this is safe because it's "JDM tyte, yo." Bad idea on this website. You're WAY underestimating your exposure and audience here. There's are now people who think it's safe to do this because Dino at speedhunters said it was cool. Those kids put these in their street cars, and get spinal compression fractures when they rear end someone at a light going 25 MPH. It's unsafe, and you know it.

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You guys need to learn how to chill out.
 
1. It's not your car.
2. You most likely will never ride in this car.
3. It's not your car.
4. I highly doubt this is unsafe if TAKATA provided the necessary tools to mount the harness in this manner.
5. It's not your car.
6. If you "know" that this is the "wrong" way to do it, then do it your own way.
7. It's not your car.
8. This cannot be anymore unsafe than using a normal seatbelt.
9. It's not your car.
10. IT"S A STREET CAR NOT A RACE CAR. Ya'know what that means? It means it doesn't have to live up to RACE standards.
11. It's not your car.

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And bashing him for saying the culture is different in Japan is just narrow-minded, what it means is that in Japan, not everyone who has a fast street car with harnesses in them have roll-cages. This is partly because the Japanese have found ways other than roll cages to reinforce their cars' chassis. So chill the hell out and stop attacking the guy for building his car in the way that he wants. You build your car for YOU, not for other people.

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@bhume For the sake of education, I'll lay it out. This is more unsafe than the standard seatbelt. 
 
In an accident, because the belts have been mounted on the floor, when they tighten up as you move forward because you've hit something, they will pull *down* on your shoulders. This compresses your spine, and can cause serious injury in surprisingly mild crashes, even crashes that occur on the street. If the belts are mounted with the shoulder harness going straight back, they just hold you in, instead of tightening up and pushing you down into the seat. It's unsafe. 
 
You're right, it's his car. Do it his way. The problem is he's trying to convince others that this is safe on a popular automotive blog. That's the issue.

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@bhume Takata provides universal threaded eyelets. These can be mounted anywhere. These aren't race standards, either. It's passenger car safety standards as well.

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@speedhunters_dino As long as you get a bar as soon as possible then its fine. I think I can speak for most of the "haters" here (albiet in a nicer fashion) is that the main reason we are "hating" is because we are concerned for your safety. Someone local to me died in a car crash when their spine was crushed while using an improperly mounted FIA certified 5 point harness. It isn't a matter of aesthetics so much as its a matter of life and death.

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@bhume It will only compress his spine assuming his shoulders are higher than the belt openings in the seat.

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Wow between this and the Kanjo post Speedhunters are getting alot of hate today - if you don't like it, go elsewhere. I can guarantee you won't find anywhere else as good for as little money (i.e FREE). As for me, i'll be checking it out as much as usual, which is multiple times a day.

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I am quite sure that most of the hate-comments come from the same person with different accounts. He drives a riced honda civic with no windscreen wipers.
 
Dino i love your car. Keep us updated.

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@bhume
FWIW a rollcage isn't there to stiffen the chassis, it's to protect the soft squishy driver in the event of a crash. The stiffer chassis is a nice side effect. THAT'S why culture isn't an excuse. Also, while Takata do provide the materials (including the I will admit FIA approved brackets), their own instructions say not to mount the harnesses at such a harsh angle. Waiting for "its only temporary" or "its HIS street car"....

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@bhume this is probably the dumbest thing posted in this comment thread.

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Thanks man!
 
I will be doing an updated post on this install with input from Takata themselves. I've already made a change, I crossed the belts at the back, so left shoulder strap goes to right latch and the right to the left latch. Anyway stay tuned for more on this.  While I appreciate the feedback, both positive and negative, it's the tone I'd wish people would chill out on :(

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@RichC Cool.

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@Hotcakes  @bhume ok, and if he dies, that's none of your concern. attacking someone for their choices is whole lot different from simply telling them that they're putting themselves in danger....

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@Hanma ok, well you guys need to learn how to just simply inform someone that what they're doing is dangerous rather than attack them with harsh comments. you may not mean it in a harsh way, but your tones make you all come off as "haters."

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@bhume  @Hotcakes I'm not attacking him. Others may have, but at the end of the day they're still just trying to get across the point a harness install like this isn't safe. I don't think that's a bad thing. No, it's not our car or concern, but it still wouldn't be nice to see (God forbid) someone get hurt because of improperly installed harnesses/rollcages etc.

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@bhume " This is partly because the Japanese have found ways other than roll cages to reinforce their cars' chassis."  c'mon man, you really have no REAL clue what you're talking about, this all just speculation and guessing, I admire your defense of Dino but just please give up with nonsense.

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I cant believe your car doesnt have a garage. I think you need to move.

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@sirnicolai A garage in Tokyo? LOL

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@sirnicolai You'd be looking long and hard to find one lol

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@sirnicolai He'd be looking long and hard to find one lol

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@Dawsaurus  @speedhunters_dino  @Qu1N7 
 
WOW.

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Dino...Haters Gonna Hate...!

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@sirnicolai space is a precious good in Japan.

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Beaut.

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@speedhunters_dino @JDMized

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Sparco doesn't make one
Kansai used to do a "refresh bar" not sure if they still do. Cusco does a 5 point rear only rollbar in both chromoly or their more competition oriented Safety21 line that I believe has a harness bar. Carbing Okuyama might as well. Or Nagisa.
Worst case/(best case?), have one fabricated locally.

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Holy shit this is crazy, there's a select few that know what they're talking about, and put it in a very nice manner, being constructive and trying to give advice that will potentially prevent serious injury, so their tone is "chilled out" and they're not being "haters" (jesus chirst I fucking hate that word!) yet Dino you choose to ignore pretty much each and every one of them and only reply to ones who say "ignore the haters man! They're just driving riced out civics" when in reality it's the poorer people that drive riced out cars or just form over function cars that are going to buy fake takatas after reading this (cos that's all they can afford) and then install it following your steps here, so they can be mad jdm tyte cos that's how they do it in Japan, they probably can't even read so won't look at the text or any of the comments to realise they've installed it incorrectly. And jesus bhume before you get in on this and say "I'm bashing him" let me say this; his car and his pictures are awesome, however when you post something like this on such a prolific site showing how to install something in such a dangerous manner, that's just messed up! I went through this dilemma, I wanted to install my takata into my s13 and use the rear seatbelt mounting points, however after reading a lot online I decided to wait until I have a harness bar or cage and stick with the stock belt in the meantime, because so many people on here don't know what the fuck they're talking about I'll put it in caps THE FACTORY SEAT BELT IS SAFER THAN A HARNESS INSTALLED LIKE THIS!!! But now to sort of do a full turn and back Dino up a bit, I know for a fact the installation manual says that this is an acceptable way to install the harness HOWEVER it then goes on to show acceptable angles for the shoulder straps and the lap belts which will NEVER be met using the stock mounting points! (The lap belts need to connect to points further back). Please people do some research! Don't just blindly follow and trust what you read on the internet get info from as many different sources as possible and people that have actually had experience with this kind of thing, and BHUME people are using what may seem like a "harsh" tone because this is serious shit! I don't know about you but I don't think you or anyone else reading this wants their spine compressed

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Just to clear something up.....
 
SCHROTH approved special seats:
Seats approved by SCHROTH for shoulder belt installation more than 20° but maximum 45° down.FIA homologated Seats:
Keiper Recaro:070.80.xxx Profischale, 070.81.xxx Profischale070.90.032 Profischale SP-A, 070.91.032 Profischale SP-GPole Position
König:RS 1000 , RS 2000, RSL 1000, RSL 2000
Protech Seating Limited (Corbeau):PRO-RACE PR-1 SEAT, PRO-RACE PR-3 SEAT, PRO-RACE PR-4 SEAT, PRO-SPORT PS-1 SEAT, PRO-SPORT PS-3 SEAT, PRO-SPORT PS-4 SEAT
Wiechers:300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 307, 403/413, 404/414

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Which means that it's not as easy as the belts.

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@Nikhil_P word up yo, spinal compression ain't real yo. Those wack takata engineers don't know the product they designed. He even called a shop that would of done it the same way, that's like talking to a takata engineer and getting his blessing. What's a seatbelt anyways dawg, it's just some cloth. My illest tshirt has cloth. My grandpa rode around with just a lap belt back in the day. Bump this progress mess we talking about. Dino said he only riding with the belts that way for a little bit. Everyone knows that accidents only happen when you do stuff for a long while. not a little bit so it's all safe. Plus it's a GT-R so that automatically gives you haters from day one. Plus japanese people go light on the safety stuff man. Speedhunters keeps saying it, if the japanese can go light on it, then it's all good brother. We are wise men because we know the truth and those haters don't know. Dino you got this, hit that hakone extra hard for me and Nikhil man.

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@Nikhil_P word up yo, spinal compression ain't real yo. Those wack takata engineers don't know the product they designed. He even called a shop that would of done it the same way, that's like talking to a takata engineer and getting his blessing. What's a seatbelt anyways dawg, it's just some cloth. My illest tshirt has cloth. My grandpa rode around with just a lap belt back in the day. Bump this progress mess we talking about. Dino said he only riding with the belts that way for a little bit. Everyone knows that accidents only happen when you do stuff for a long while. not a little bit so it's all safe. Plus it's a GT-R so that automatically gives you haters from day one. Plus japanese people go light on the safety stuff man. Speedhunters keeps saying it, if the japanese can go light on it, then it's all good brother. We are wise men because we know the truth and those haters don't know. Dino you got this, hit that hakone extra hard for me and Nikhil man.

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Dat car of yours makes my jaw drop way down to the floor every time l see it.

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If you don't want to fly around in the car on corners, the answer is EASY and SAFE:
 
CG Lock + Aftermarket seat upgrade.

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BenjaminSaucier

@ChristianHopland word yo, i took my protractor to that image and I concur it's the same exact angle and same exact mounting point. Good find.

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BenjaminSaucier

@ChristianHopland word yo, i took my protractor to that image and I concur it's the same exact angle and same exact mounting point. Good find.

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BenjaminSaucier

@ChristianHopland word yo, i took my protractor to that image and I concur it's the same exact angle and same exact mounting point. Good find.

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Awwman. Don't saw those plastics. OEM man, OEM. :)

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Your videos are very helpful I'm delighted to have found your page I'm currently in owner of an R34 but sometimes it's hard to get answers

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