Discussion>> West Coast Hondas & That Jdm Word

For over a decade, the West Coast of the United States has been a breeding ground for modified Hondas, with a huge, multi-faceted community pulling apart econoboxes and transforming them into whatever they pleased. It's a true melting pot of styles, with Hondas prevalent in everything from street to shows, circuit and drag racing. Over the years the Honda scene has constantly evolved as each wave of trends hit, and as a new generation came to embrace them.

In terms of the sport compact community, I think few would argue that Hondas played an integral part in the scene's development. Being our Honda month, we decided to sit down with a group of folk who've been involved in one way or another to get their take on what Honda means to them, what the future holds, and how the term 'JDM' became part of the tuner vocabulary. 

The group of people we invited to take part in the discussion is certainly eclectic, and I think each of them brings a unique perspective to the table. A few of these guys are from ‘my era’ so to speak, who have seen how the Honda culture evolved over the years. One of the first people we lined up was Jonathan Wong, the Editor of Super Street Magazine.

Diehard Honda enthusiasts will be quite familiar with our next participant, although most will only know him by his online username Katman. Jason Katman is one of the long-standing members of FF-Squad, a crew of Honda owners that was formed over a decade ago and is still going strong. Jason’s well known for tinkering with Honda ECUs, and also works over at JHPUSA (formerly JDMHONDAPARTS.COM).

Depending on how old you are, the name Brandon Leung may or may not ring a bell. Brandon was the Editor of the original JTuned website which, in my opinion at least, revolutionised automotive sites and car photography. I’ve known Brandon from when I used to be at ASM, and he's now spearheading BOWLS LA, a boutique that also caters for the Honda Ruckus.

When the Speedhunters team decided to do a Honda discussion, we knew that Stephan Papadakis would be a perfect fit. As you would've read in our interview with him, Stephan plied his trade on the drag strip, smashing – and re-smashing – multiple records in his Honda Civics.

And lastly, we have Joey Lee [far right], who you may know as StickyDilJoe. Joey is a freelance writer and photographer for Honda Tuning Magazine, and is also the man responsible for The Chronicles, a popular Honda-focused blog.

Speedhunters: What do you think is the attraction of Hondas to enthusiasts? What makes them special in your eyes?

Joey Lee: Hondas are attractive to enthusiasts because they’ve always been the ‘entry-level’ import automobile. They are everywhere and easily accessible and we as enthusiasts were exposed to them very early on when many of us first got into modifying cars. When the whole import community blew-up, Hondas were the ‘it’ car to modify. Hondas have always been special in my eyes because they were an essential part of the community’s growth at the onset of the import automotive movement.

Stephan Papadakis: Honda just had the combination of reliability, easy to work on, and had aftermarket support on both sides of the Pacific. Another great feature was the relatively easy crossover from car to car. Parts were interchangeable between U.S. and Japanese versions and sometimes from model to model.

Brandon Leung: I believe the Honda market grew with enthusiasts due to the fact that these vehicles were being passed down from older siblings or parents who originally bought these vehicles for reliability, gas mileage, and low insurance costs. Little did they know about the large aftermarket support and the ability to make horsepower gains quickly and easily! Basically anything you do to these cars gave instant gratification, whether it be slapping on an intake/exhaust or installing some lowering springs or coilovers, these cars just loved the mods and owners could immediately feel the performance gains with just a few bolt-on bits. Most were hooked from there.

Jason Katman: Number one, they were visually appealing. Number two, there were lots of engine and parts swapping compatibilities between familiar Honda/Acura chassis'. Thirdly, there’s a plethora of performance parts on the market for most models. What makes them special is they're all little grocery getters that can be turned into fun little show cars or underdog race cars.

Jonathan Wong: Hondas have always been the best entry-level car for enthusiasts because of the low price and high modification potential, not just because there are so many parts out there but because you can also build a Honda for relatively cheap compared to a lot of cars out there. For me personally, Hondas and Acuras were just that cool car to have back in high school, especially if you could get an EF or a DA. Nissans such as the S13 and S14 were considered a step down back then. Might’ve been a SoCal/LA thing.

Speedhunters: In your opinion, what was the best model that Honda ever produced, and why?

Stephan Papadakis: The EG Civic would be my pick. It was a very simple car that allowed the installation of many different engine and transmission combinations. Also companies made almost every part in the aftermarket.

Brandon Leung: The Civic because of its long heritage and it is probably the most iconic model in their entire line-up which appealed not only to enthusiasts but to the masses. It is also one of Honda's least expensive, smallest, and lightest passenger vehicles which made it more accessible to younger enthusiasts and made for a good starting platform for tuners.
 
Jason Katman: Oh CCU….the EG civic hatchback chassis of course! It's just damn sexy! The contour round body styling, the ergonomic interior, dash, gauge cluster, all of it just flows real buttery on top of being easy on the eyes when done properly.

Joey Lee: The best model Honda, hands down, has to be the Integra Type R. It showed us that a car like an Integra had potential and before the Type R was ever available in the U.S., it was a dream car, a fantasy—guys were trying to bring in parts from Japan just so their Integras could remotely resemble an ITR.

The ITR as well as the Civic Type R have reached legendary status among Honda guys. You can say that the NSX would be the obvious choice because it was Honda’s first super car, but it didn’t have that attainability factor that Honda guys were looking for. If you had a Civic or Integra, you could build towards an ITR or CTR. You could never build towards an NSX. S2000s also changed the Honda scene in a great way but those cars weren’t really financially feasible to fully build until the last couple years. There is still a lot of growth within the S2000 crowd.

Jonathan Wong: Most people would probably say the NSX, ITR or CTR but I hold strong to my belief that the EF9 is the best Honda model ever produced. I’ve owned two of them in my lifetime; they just look so nice slammed!

Speedhunters: What's the biggest drawback of Hondas?

Joey Lee: Personally, I think the biggest drawback of Hondas today is the unwanted attention that it brings, especially out here in the west coast. It’s hard to drive a Honda nowadays without having to look over your shoulder to see if you are going to get pulled over by local law enforcement or if you were going to get your car stolen the moment you left it alone for more than five minutes. You almost have to strategically plan your day out when you even think of driving a modified Honda on the streets. If you do manage to take it out for a cruise, your day is ruined because you constantly have to worry about your car and if something is going to happen to it. If it’s not one thing, it’s another. Getting rolled by the cops or get your car stolen, you pick.

Brandon Leung: There really aren't many besides being front wheel drive [laughs]. I’m kidding! I agree, the biggest drawback of owning a Honda in the Los Angeles county is the theft rate. Everyone I know that has owned a Honda has either had one stolen or broken into at least once. Their popularity among the tuner crowd is like a double edged sword.

Jason Katman: For me the biggest downside is the ‘ricer’ stigma for sure. Also the plethora of thieves running rampant in this scene. I hate the 'only immature kids drive Hondas' stigma where you man-up by moving onto a non-Honda vehicle. This last stigma is a real b*tch, because when you get pulled over by the fuzz, they really do think you’re some kid in a toy ass car who's racing [ahem] ‘ricing’ around town with an illegal parts filled car. Getting thrown under the bus for this is common place.

Jonathan Wong: This probably goes against all that a Honda stands for in most cases, but its FWD configuration. That and they were always prone to being pulled over, which was a ***. You can never find a clean chassis to build these days either unless you’re willing to overpay for it.

Stephan Papadakis: It would have been nice to see proper support from Honda corporate. For a few years they did notice the aftermarket and came out with the 2001 Civic SI and Integra Type R and had the ‘Civic Nation’ ad campaign, but that was all short lived. If you look at their line-up of cars now… well it is not as exciting or good for the aftermarket. 

Speedhunters: What are some of the common mistakes you see Honda enthusiasts doing?

Brandon Leung: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. With the low cost to own and maintain, many import enthusiasts often start off with a Honda as their first tuning platform. Because of this, many often make the mistakes of lowering the vehicle too low or just experimenting with their vehicles in weird ways due to lack of funds and experience.

Joey Lee:  The biggest mistake I feel that Honda enthusiasts are making nowadays is that many are just trying way too hard to stand out. It’s become a ‘Me-me-me’ scene where everybody wants to get noticed and people are taking shortcuts to get ‘love’ from other enthusiasts. Things have become very cookie-cutter because of it and it’s sad. It’s made the Honda scene very saturated. Style and individuality in many instances, has become a lost art.

Stephan Papadakis: There are many high quality aftermarket parts for Hondas out there, but the biggest problem I see is some companies will have a low quality part that will possibly fail. Sometimes sold to make more power but will actually lose power. My advice is to do your homework before making the investment.

Jason Katman: The lack of long-term love for being a Honda 'enthusiast'. Too much fashion, not enough function. Extreme negative camber. Too much ‘one-upping’. Unfinished build threads. Multi-colored engine bays. One build-wonder magazine sellouts. Cheap purchases that are made to regret later on. Hey, but each his own, right?

Jonathan Wong: Too many Honda enthusiasts aren’t willing to break out and try something original, although it’s tough to do that at the same time. A lot of nutriders out there and too many people who build the cars not for the sake of enjoying the car after, but going and trying to sell it for profit or for a magazine cover. Are you a true enthusiast? Why not enjoy the car? Also, I see a lot of people not doing their homework, in terms of research; there is so much information out there that it’s hard to not find out what you need, especially if you’re at the basic/beginning stage of a Honda build.

Speedhunters: There's a certain type of stigma associated with Hondas. Why do you think that is?

Stephan Papadakis: That is such an open question. Depends on the generation you are asking. Older folks 40+ seem to think of Hondas as rice rockets that punk kids drive. But the younger people know how big the scene is and you have all types of owners.

Brandon Leung: I don't know about now but when we were growing up we would get laughed at by all the domestic guys when we rolled up to the street races. It took a while before FWD vehicle owners started taking money from these guys and shutting them all up. I guess they looked at Hondas as toys or econoboxes, which they kind of were, but with the right amount of modifications they turned into monsters that could keep up in the quarter with a lot of street driven V8s and still get 20+ mpg.

Joey Lee: I think the stigma exists because the community has become so incredibly saturated. I also feel like a lot of the negative connotations come from people who have never been a part of the Honda community and are on the outside looking in. It’s very easy to derive ill feelings towards something that isn’t understood than it is to actually devote the time and effort into understanding.

Jason Katman: Older Hondas are cheap nowadays and easy to fix up, making it easy for anyone to get into Hondas.

Jonathan Wong: I think just because it’s easy to use a Honda as the butt of a joke. Everyone always says ‘Hondas suck’, they’re ‘too slow’; whatever kind of negative connotation you can think of. I just think they should respect the brand a little bit more for helping to create a hobby they’ve fallen in love with. This is probably a question that could have a much meatier debate!

Speedhunters: In your opinion, has the Honda scene hit its peak?

Joey Lee: Definitely not. If anything, I would say that this is the 'golden age' of the Honda scene. While many have gone the way of the bike rack/sticker phenomenon, there are still many who continue to evolve the Honda community in a very positive way. These individuals have looked past the whole JDM-themed builds and have gone the way of full custom fabrication. Japanese-spec parts are still highly sought after but they have just become a standard.
 
Brandon Leung: It's really hard to say because my era saw the birth of the CRX and Integra. Both are no longer available Stateside even though Honda is trying to resurrect some of these models, albeit with lackluster fanfare. I don't know if Honda will ever regain the market share it once held when import drag racing and the show scenes were at their peak.

Stephan Papadakis: I think the peak has passed since other vehicle manufactures have caught on and are building cars that enthusiasts want. That being said I believe that there is a new Honda scene rising right now.  It includes older Hondas from the 80s and 90s that are my generation’s new ‘hot rods’. Most of my friends including myself own an older Honda that we use once in a while.

Joey Lee: The introduction of the K-series engine has reinvigorated the Honda community. K-series swaps into older model Hondas have opened a new door of possibilities for Honda guys. Full customization of engine bays and parts is now held in high regard. Honda enthusiasts in the U.S. have created their own style and look and even have a dedicated following from others outside of the country. I’ve actually met a number of Japanese who come out every year from overseas to major events that we are involved in just to see what is new with Hondas here and what new trends have developed—it’s wild. Americans got into Hondas by mimicking and idolizing the Japanese and now the Japanese look to Americans for inspiration. Things have really come full circle. It’ll be difficult for the Honda scene to ever peak thanks to full customization. As long as there is a creative mind out there willing to push their builds beyond the limits that have been set by the previous generation of enthusiasts, the scene will continue to evolve. 

Jason Katman: Yes and no. It definitely fluctuates. Being that I work at JHPUSA, our monthly sales can help gauge where the markets currently at. Personally, I think the scene hit the 'JDM' peak from '99-03, then sorta leveled out and continues to fluctuate.

Jonathan Wong: In all honesty, I think it came back. There was a point in 2006-08 when it was just over the top ridiculousness, but then some fresh blood came in with the custom offset wheels, wire tucking and revived it a bit. It’s exciting to see how far the Honda community has come since the early ’90s.

Speedhunters: In your opinion, what was the most iconic modified Honda? The car that really caught the imagination of enthusiasts?

Joey Lee: That’s really hard to say. I can’t honestly pinpoint one Honda from over a decade that would be considered the most iconic. There are a couple cars that stand out though. In the drag racing world, it had to be Stephan’s AEM drag Civic hatchback and Coupe. As for street Hondas it would probably be guys like Jay Smith, FF Squad, and AM7 when they were in their prime. Rodrez, who is the Head Editor now at Honda Tuning magazine, had a Civic hatchback that was a great example of what looked great and was a car I always looked up to. In terms of pure show cars, LJ Garcia’s FEEL’S wide-body Civic had to have been at the forefront of the industry in the early 2000s. The car came out of nowhere and shocked everyone. Today, the most recognizable Hondas are probably Big Mike’s Honda Prelude and the guys from ATS Garage, who continue to push out amazing Honda builds every year.

Stephan Papadakis: I think it would be the old 1986 Mugen CRX road race car from Japan with the red and gold decals. In my mind it’s the most iconic. 

Brandon Leung: For street cars, Junior Asprer's EF Honda Civic really set the bar for me back in the day. He was rocking OG Mugen parts before most people even knew of the company here in the States and long before the term ‘JDM’ was even coined. I remember seeing this car at the local street races and Japanese festivals and it blew my f*cking mind. For race cars, I would also say Stephan’s EK drag car that he built with Shaun Carlson and NuFormz Racing. It was so revolutionary at the time with its tube frame chassis and being the first FWD Honda to break into the 9sec realm when everyone said it couldn't be done.

Jason Katman: Hands down, I'd have to say any of the Spoon Sports race cars from the '92-00 era. The EGs, EKs and DC2Rs. Everyone went after that look in the late 90s and early 2000s, and still do to this day.

Speedhunters: So where to from here? Over the years we've seen the Honda movement evolve and spread through various guises; the import show scene, drag racing, circuit racing. What's in store for Hondas in the future?

Jason Katman: More racing I hope! Personally, it feels like more Honda-heads are leaning towards circuit racing more than ever, at least here on the West Coast thanks to Super Lap, Redline Time Attack, Speedventures and new tracks opening up like Chuckwalla Valley Raceway.

Jonathan Wong: That all depends on what Honda decides to do as a manufacturer and the type of cars they’ll be offering consumers in the future. The 2012 Civic Si looks very promising but it’d be nicer if they offered a JDM CTR. Here’s to hoping they have a Euro CTR!

Joey Lee: The Honda movement is not going anywhere. What’s so great about Hondas is that they are multi-faceted and are still very prevalent in all guises. When drifting hit the U.S., Honda enthusiasts stepped out of the spotlight for a bit but the community is as strong as ever now. Drag racing definitely isn’t as popular as it once was but there is still a huge following among Honda drag racers. The show scene continues to evolve because guys are now into doing full-on restorations and builds from the ground up.

Time attack is as popular as ever and guys like Loi Song and Tage Evanson continue to push FF Hondas to new limits so it’s great to see that people are still very much into Hondas, no matter what direction enthusiasts choose to take.

Stephan Papadakis: They will be the 21st century Hot Rods! Mine is the 1988 CRX Si. I don't want a 69 Camaro.

Brandon Leung: There are still a ton of die-hard Honda fanatics that are buying and building some sick mid-school (late 80s/early 90s) Civics and Integras now that parts are more accessible and older owners may have more expendable income than when they were struggling teenagers. This resurgence has sparked a new generation of followers and I'm glad to see some of these classic silhouettes being built with a modern flare.

Speedhunters: So when did the JDM term become parts of the enthusiast vocabulary?

Stephan Papadakis: In the late 90s when Americans really started to put the Japanese parts on their U.S.-built cars.

Joey Lee: The existence of the Type R probably started the whole ‘JDM’ movement because people started looking to Japan to see what we didn’t have here in the U.S. We then discovered that there were engines that we didn’t have, interior parts that weren’t made for us. Everything changed at that point because there were options outside of just a simple drop and sound system. To this day you will still find hardcore Honda heads that are looking for a mint Integra Type R to mess around with.

Brandon Leung: I'd say the mid-late 90s. Sheng from JHP helped make it a household term. Prior to, the main source for go-fast and dress up parts for your Honda/Acura came from Japan which was really weird since Hondas weren't very popular tuner cars there. We never really used the term because all the items we bought for our cars were from Japan and we were trying to get our hands on any and every cool part that would differentiate our vehicles from the masses.

Jason Katman: I'd say the word started popping around 1996, and then it really became a household term 1999-onwards. No thanks the internet and JDMHONDAPARTS.com of course! [laughs]

Jonathan Wong: Agreed it would be the late ’90s or so, thanks to Katman and the FF Squad. Super Street just pushed the word out a little bit further to the masses. But even before then, we in LA used to call it Japan- or J-spec.

- Charles Kha

Photos by Mike Garrett, Linhbergh Nguyen, StickyDilJoe 

A big thank you to Jonathan Wong, Stephan Papadakis, Brandon Leung, Joey Lee and Jason Katman for taking part in our group discussion!

BOWLS LA

FF Squad

JHPUSA

The Chronicles

Super Street

Papadakis Racing

ADVERTISEMENT

Comments

Add comment

E-mail is already registered on the site. Please use the Login form or enter another.

You entered an incorrect username or password

Sorry, you must be logged in to post a comment.

171 comments

by Oldest
by Best by Newest by Oldest
1

Wow, this came out awesome! Nice job everyone!

2

Must be nice to be on the west coast where the biggest draw back isn't rust!



Came together really nice, good work all.

3

word, really good read.

4

you know there could of been some more serious questions asked instead, like what do you think of most enthusiast buying used parts off others instead of supporting stateside companies that would then start sponsoring events again? what do you think of all the "herra frush" front wheel drive cars that are obviously un-safe and have multiple times been told by authorities to tow it or crush it? Or the best one that could of been asked is why do honda enthusiasts talk so much trash about other enthusiasts?



Being an "older" honda enthusiast those are more interesting questions, IF speedhunters really cares about the u.s. hobby and not just hondas either then push stateside companies and suggesting buying parts from them so more events happen. everyone wonders why there are less events? its because they wont buy from the u.s. and rather buy from japan, when was the last time spoon, mugen or Feels sponsored an event in the u.s.? they havent and buying used parts from someone other than a shop hurts the companies like JHP. people like me who arent in cali are more affected by these things than anyone, the only thing we get is the ricey Import Faceoff events once a year and thank GOD for Don Napier for starting IMPORT ALLIANCE! just my thoughts from a guy who has been doing this since 1996.

5

This was a good read. IMO, the honda scene peaked in 05-06. People were starting to build functional, road race/auto x cars which was killing off drag racing (thank god). Now its just hellaflush this, stance that, hardparking b.s. 5 years ago, the cars were being built and driven the way they were intended.

6

"Too much fashion, not enough function. "



Good Lord, AMEN! The honda scene is so into "fashion" its disgusting....sucks the 240 crowd has been heading down that same slope for a while.....although I hope we never get that low.

8

Well said guys.

9

Does anyone else find it ironic that Honda month coincides with the release of a Fast and Furious movie?

10

Out in the 909 then 714 we used to have protosports and they sold all of the spoon / rsr parts back in 94 and on and that was where I first got into Honda, after that every night I was either at the street races or trying to get there then the back roads then the race tracks.



But Hondas in the late 90's suffered and still suffers from people and companies trying to profit from it with low quality, poorly constructed parts - I mean "brand X" really ? even famous tuners like RS Akimoto and Techno Square offered parts that weren't really understood and didnt really perform that well. JG Engine Dynamics - Atomic motor sports even did things that were shady for a buck and that's what caused the peak - people tired of BS and better offerings from other manufacturers.



When I think the scene got it's single biggest kick that I remember was when chad costelos eg made the cover of can't even remember the mag.



After that I remember tearing into my car to attempt the wire tuck later that evening and after I finished it hoardes of people hit me up asking for help to do theres.



His car was clean and stylish but that wire tuck look that had been so common in Hot Rods and VW's showed people with more work than money you could make a dramatic difference in the look of one aspect of a car.



Since then it's the one thing you expect all honda show cars to have no matter what car or what setup an invisible harness and shaved engine is universal among them all. and for good reason so I'm surprised no one mentioned it because many new businesses in the industry were born to support or to modify to support that look.



11

@"OLDER" Honda Enthusiast



California being the outlet for the tuning industry for honda is like a double edged sword. Most of the influences and sources for parts usually come out of California, and adversely, California is notorious for being a "trendy" state known for its "trendy" culture. And we all know that trends die. The flipside of the JDM movement was the ricer explosion when the Fast and the Furious movie came out. Companies naturally will lean more towards the side of selling parts that will make the company money.



The downside about sourcing JDM parts to US outlets is simply costs and customs nightmares. there are only a few companies that are willing to put in the resources to source parts from Japan(i.e. Mugen/Spoon/Toda/Jun, ETC), but they are forced to control the market and put a huge price tag on these items to cover the costs to get them over here and to make it worth while to sell. Your question is "why can't we support more american companies and boost the market for more stateside parts and have more sponsored events?" It goes back to my 1st point.. Trends. We drive japanese cars and the japanese style is the biggest trend. You can't win shows or make magazines with Eibach parts, Wings west lips, and Magnaflow exhausts these days.. AEM has even dropped off. Rarity and exclusivity is the trend now.



It comes down to the enthusiast to support the local guy. Nobody wants to buy an american part unless it's proven to be extremely functional. Look at ASR. Almost every one of those show/magazine cars has an ASR subframe brace. Skunk2 is still prevailant on the map because their engine parts are proven to provide the best performance and functionality. As long as something is functional, it will sell. This concept thrives on renowned tuners and their opinions on these parts. It's a shame that people will take more money away from these markets by overspending on JDM parts just because it's cool.



My philosophy is that if the part is just as functional as its JDM counterpart, then I'm all for saving money, support the local company, and buying from those sources. I could care less about being the cool guy who spent 500 dollars on a Spoon throttle body when a 100 dollar one is just as functional.

12

Same problem here in Cyprus. I have a 180sx and when i'm pulled by the cops they check everything but they don't open the hood. My buddy has an ek9 type-r and the when he is pulled they check what is under the hood;p Even with the eg's it's much worse. You get pulled coz u drive a civic;p In Cyprus the cops even have a "blacklisted" cars which send to insurance companies so they don't insure u if you are under 24...I pay 500euros for my 180sx insurance and i had to find several documents, i went interviewed also by the insurance company to make my insurance..it sucks:S

13

Amazing, great read!

15

I remember when FF Squad was TiiiteBoyeeRacing! Much respect to those interviewed!

16

very informative - good to slow things down abit and get a broader understanding of opinons etc. - nice one!

17

Sure would be interesting to see an educated and well articulated critical view about Hondas written from someone who does not depend on selling Honda parts for a living and is not interested in one big pat-on-the-back type article as the above SH article.

Possibly pointing out the fact that the basis of the Honda aftermarket parts industry was replacing and reinforcing poorly designed and under structured factory parts. Such as the weak front lower suspension and lower control arm design of the Civic that flexes and lacks rigidity. Such as the fragile pistons which break upon the application of boost or raised compression. Such as the water jacket design that requires a girdle to prevent breaking the cylinders out of the block. Such as the undersized axles that barely handle stock power levels.

The fact is that Civics always were truely average quality cars. The industry grew out of fixing the shortcomings of the vehicle design, and grew from that point.

There are plenty of unpopular cars with much more performance in stock form and with better designs that provide for much more performance potential than the Civic. There are a lot of NA engines that can actually be turbocharged without having to replace every single part inside them to keep them from blowing up. But the lack of all those required redesign and reinforcing parts also left these other vehicles without an incubator for a large upgrade industry. Truly fast non-cookie-cutter cars are built from scratch without an upgrade industry that grew out of fixing Honda's shortcomings.

18

99roadster / J = +1

19

Actually G** is a word. Well it really a G with some ** after it becasue some one could not spell G**. But JDM is a fad like everything else in the tuner scene. Some will like it some will not the best cars are not JDM, or USDM, etc. they are clean and complete. We need more clean and complete cars on the streets not just the shows.

20

Yeah, more function over form! I'm sick of all that Fatlace crap with sticker bombs and roof racks.



Sadly, the 240SX community seems to be heading that way too. Goddamit.

21

@ D I think you miss much of what JDM tuning is about - it's not the actual value of the materials it's the intrinsic value of them - much like artwork.



Skunk 2 parts are shipped to America from the same contractors that make a bulk of the JDM parts as well - they arent a local guy there just an address parts are shipped to and magnaflow fails to turn there parts into something more stylish, how hard is a dolphin tip option really ? My exhaust on my s2000 uses a magnaflow muffler but the piping and design is much closer to N1 style exhaust than anything magnaflow would ever create. BTW a tremendous amount of cars are using aem, and eibach especially.



BTW Spoon Toda Mugen and Jun make a better quality part on average and I can say this about JUN they built an engine for a friends ITR way back in like 95 that made 282whp all motor on a dyno jet, no itbs no race gas and it was flawless until the car was stolen. I've never seen anyone match that on a stock displacement motor - I Don't think Skunk is today capable of that level of tuning honestly.



Also fast and the furious was a huge win for everyone, yes lots of people built cheesy cars and the awesomeness that is Veilsides true spirit was lost in orange paint and dragon stickers but it brought a tremendous amount of attention and currency to it and jump started alot of really good tuners as well as some BS ones - you shouldn't forget that.

22

really cool that you guys did this but pretty disappointed with who you were interviewed and the questions you guys asked. besides Steph I don't think those other guys represent the real history of honda. i never even heard of two of them haha

23

Whaaat...??? No Andy Hope??

24

Everytime Honda is mentioned there are always negative connotations that follow.

Let's just put all negative feedback aside and appreciate Speedhunters for taking their time and effort to put forth such an interesting article with the biggest names in the Honda Community.

In my opinion, I think we should really respect the idea that the birth and popularization of the tuner scene came from California, then started spreading towards the East. Also, the term "Older Honda Enthusiast" is loosely coined. When people refer themselves as this, I think of mid 40's used to own a honda or just purchased an integra or civic during the late nineties. Real OG's were putting Mugen and Trust parts on their EF's, and just refer themselves as enthusiasts or by their name. Well that's just my two cents. Maybe soon enough a documentary can come out about the whole tuner/subcompact culture/scene and make more of an impact, and coverup what Fast and Furious has done to our community.

25

one of the best read of 2011!

26

Great job on the interview, excellent answers. Perfect timing too, with the continued resurgence of the Honda scene and new interest in drag racing to go along with the time attack and road racing interest Hondas performance is on it's biggest upswing since the early 00s. Oh yeah, it doesn't hurt that the current model Civic Si is a huge hit.



The next couple of years are going to be interesting. Honda has dropped the Civic in Japan and the JDM focus will be on the Fit and CR-Z, while the 2012 Civic is basically a evolutionary step up from the last generation and will continue to be popular in the US. Good times are ahead, our company, Hasport, has had two record months and seems like it's just getting better.



brian g

27

all you eat poop. honda ftw

28

hey "EVEN OLDER" Honda enthusiast----if you've "never heard of two of these guys", I shudder to think of which two those might be. I don't know how much of a "Honda enthusiast" you can call yourself without being familiar with every one of these guys---they're all huge in the scene and very influential, and have been for years.

29

honda's get in ur blood i've had my 240 for 4 years but still dream of owing factory fresh 3rd gen prelude with 4ws. As well as building a rwd fc20 powered 3rd gen prelude. they've got that certain "je ne sais quoi"

30

To Mr MO from Texas, sir I never called myself an OG, I simply said I am on older enthusiast of the brand then most people into hondas nowdays. With as disrespectful as young kids are now I get told I am too old for hondas and that I should leave the honda hobby cause of my age. I am shy of 30 right now, and the sad thing is these kids could learn so much if they would just listen and not run to the latest blog or car forum. In this are of Ohio I could be considered "OG" here due to the fact that modifying Hondas here has only been going on since the mid nineties. But I know who the true OG's of the hobby are, like mr oscar jackson.



On another note I would love to see someone from Speed Hunters join our team for Import Alliance and actually give coverage to a meet with 5000 plus cars and drifting and road racing. I mean you cover one day car show events all the time, how about covering the largest import car meet in the country, and taking a non-biased photographer who wont just take pictures of whats trendy or of their friends cars and really show where the hobby is. Is any of the Speed Hunters team interested? if so I will email them and work something out for them to be there.

31

enjoyed reading this great job

32

Very informative, I enjoyed reading this.

A must read for Honda Enthusiasts.

33

.........................................

34

everyone just needs to relax and just enjoy honda month... sigh!

honda <3

everyone has different opinions and perspectives... no need to argue and fuss over something that will never settle. and this goes for all car tunning/modding/culture/trend/etc...



just thank God that we can enjoy car culture!



thx SH~

35

KOMEKO- You couldnt be more wrong in your ignorance.

36

All those legit deserve credit...but how did we forget Dr. Charles? Charles Madrid in my eyes revolutionized our culture.

37

Man it's so true that Honda's still dominate the import scene even after all these years. I remember getting an email from Jason Katman about two years ago when he saw my old 94 Accord with NSXs..I had no idea who he really was until I found out he was part of JHPUSA, No one believed me but I was pretty humble that someone from a well known company actually admired the car.



Honda's will always be the staple of the tuning world when you start out.

38

Great interview guys, nice hearing what you guys have to say about the listed subjects!

39

@KOMEKO

Your Ignorance is abundant.

40

This is from Jason Katman's website as mentioned in the article above:

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/catalog/supertech/supertech.blockguard_g.jpg

It is described on another website as follows: "To prevent catastrophic engine failure".

I remember first seeing thses things and wondering who in their right mind would design such a flimsy engine block that it needs a brace to keep it from blowing out the cylinders?

41

Another tasty morsel from jhpusa.com:

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/catalog/ktuned/ktuned.tracbar_g.jpg

"help eliminate wheel hop, keep your wheels straight during hard launches, and provide much needed additional support"

Had Honda used a front lower trailing arm with three mounting points (triangular), then there would have been no reason to make a brace to prevent control arm deflection.

"The industry grew out of fixing the shortcomings of the vehicle design..." Well put.

42

Again from jspusa.com:

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/catalog/hasport/hasport.egbhkax_g.jpg

"Hasport axles are rated up to 200 horsepower. "

The performance axles are rated to 200 HP, and that is an upgrade from the originals which break below that level. So Honda matched the breaking point on the original drivetrain components so closely to the stock engine output that almost any power upgrade at all results in failure.

This is from the website of one of the people interviewed above and presented by SH as a Honda expert.

43

The Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda performance industry in the US grew out of 1970's road racing.

The Honda performance industry in the US grew out of 1980's LA County drag racing engine, drivetrain, and suspension destruction.

With a Honda, you start out replacing things that will immediately break. With any other vehicle, you start replacing things to enhance performance.

It's a fact, Komeko hit the nail on the head.

44

One thing sets the Honda community apart from all the rest, that being that there are extremely few educated and knowledgeable enthusiasts and an overwhelming majority of fan-boys [like andrew and exc35] who refuse to admit that the vehicle they are obsessed with has any faults or weaknesses.

45

@Snyder

You can obviously spot a fake here you and Komeko.

I didn't say Hondas were indestructible.

Block girdle LMAO.

There are other platforms but there is a reason why Hondas have a such a strong support.

46

@ Dino

What a load of crap...

You got things the other way around.

47

@RaySe37

Yes load of crap, Honda's don't break much as they think it will.

Reason being that owners neglected proper assembly etc..

Why would you replace a rear lower control arm for a aftermarket one when a stock one work well with stiffer bushings, answer=looks.

Block girdles won't do sh*t for reinforcing the block, same morons that run 25+ psi of boost on a high compression motor a girdle won't help with rigidity like sleeves would. NOOBS.

OEM B series axles can withstand 400 hp.

Some stuff mentioned is overkill.

You can tell who the fakes are in the industry that has never touched a motor!



240s are the new 'civic' go put clear tails on.

48

@ HondaEXC35

Already covered rice boy.

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/catalog/supertech/supertech.blockguard_g.jpg

http://www.jhpusa.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=563

Looks like a girdle to me too.

Jason Katman has these for B, H, D, and K Series, and S2000 engines. I've seen them elsewhere for the six cylinder engines to keep the NSXs from going bang. That is pretty much the entire list of engines offered by Honda.

Name any other manufacturer whose engines need a block guard to prevent catastrophic engine failure..

49

@Nelson

Once again, 240s are the new 'Civic' go put clear tails on.

That is very mature of you, congratulations. Why are you mad at Honda's? LOL



Every manufacturer has different weaknesses and faults quit being narrow minded. Unlike the majority of Speed Hunters readers, I am not biased towards Honda's, I just Love Honda's but I respect every make regardless of country of origin, drive train, etc...

My point is, that there are better ways to reinforce the block for boost than girdles.

You have a terrible comparison comparing other manufacturers, most Honda blocks use an open deck design so sleeves are needed for higher boost pressures.

Most Honda's also have a higher compression pistons as they are designed primarily designed for being naturally aspirated, rather than having forced induction. However Honda motors work surprisingly well with boost when built right.

SR20's need stronger pistons over 400+hp to be on the safe side just saying.



If it makes RWD nut riding a** feel any better, I have been raised around various makes including domestics as well so I'm well aware what goes on within the domestic crowd as well.

50

Komeko said: Truly fast non-cookie-cutter cars are built from scratch without an upgrade industry that grew out of fixing Honda's shortcomings.

This, I will agree with because different engines have different requirements.

Every car has its short comings.

51

OMGHAI2U! I am Jason Katman, FFounder of the FF Squad. After my involvement in Speedhunters' Honda discussion, Charles asked me to do a guest blog showing the history of FF Squad. 'FF' of course refers to Front engine Front wheel drive. We

OFFICIAL SPEEDHUNTERS SUPPLIERS