Poll>>ft-86: Na Or Turbo?

Earlier this week we learned that the Toyota-Subaru joint venture known as the FT-86 is still on track for a release in the fall of 2011.

One thing we aren't exactly sure of yet is what will be under the hood of this car.

For our poll this week, we'd thought it'd be fun to ask you guys how you'd prefer your FT-86 to be powered.

Modern turbo powerplant, or a high revving naturally aspirated unit in the spirit of the AE86?

Speak your mind.

-Mike Garrett


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1

Anything but the boxer they are going to put into it.

2

Boost gets you laid!

3

i got my wrx for turbo power i need an NA FR for the downhill! im sorry i read too much initial d, i want instant throttle response.

4

The only way I would want a turbo FT86 is if its an inline for not another crap Subaru motors that requires a built bottom end just to make 350whp

7

TURBO!+ boost controller + FT-86 = awesome drifting car

8

It needs a 3S-GTE, or at the very least a 2ZZ-GTE. The Subie motor can go to hell...

9

Its going to be the same boxter engine as in STi probably

10

N/A



10K RPM FTW!

11

3 rotor turbo :)

12

I don't mind turbocharged or not, as long as its at least putting out 350hp. It would be nice for the tuner scene that this car comes with a base turbo engine, but for price sake and relaiblilty at around 29k, most likely n/a. At that price, ill put my name on the list asap...

13

turbo into supercharger into individual throttle bodies into a w12 with quad exhausts.

14

I think they should have the option of both. I do agree that in the spirit of Toyota, it should not be a boxer motor, inline 4 would be great.



Although a boxer Subie motor with a Toyota twist and some boost might be fun.

15

TURBO and DIRECT INJECT to limit the turbo lag!!! So you can drive it up to the parkway of your university and say to the people drooling over your car "it's got a turbo!"

16

THEY NEED TO SCRAP THIS STUPID ASS CAR. BUT IF I WERE TO SAY I'D HAVE TO GO WITH NA WITH ITB'S FROM FACTORY. WITH NO STUPID SUBARU MOTOR. KEEP IT TOYOTA

17

Mike, do you really think that by asking such a question (on this site), you will stimulate enough interest so that Toyota/ Subaru will take notes in regard? In other words, do you think that Toyota/ Subaru is gonna listen to a bunch of high school JDM wanna-be drifters?.....sorry to be harsh, but read the comments and judge for yourself.

If Toyota/ Subaru want to keep the cost down, there is only one answer. That is NA. I like power like many others, but if you want to have an affordable econo-car, turbo is out of the question.

Turbo cost more to design, develop, operate, and maintain. (not to mention to insure). Not that Toyota/ Subaru care, but a potential buyer does.

It is just not feasible, especially if Toyota/ Subaru want to sell it for around $20K. If the price of the FT86 would be close to $30K, marketing target changes, as well as customer's demand.

Many people will debate whether or not buying a Subaru WRX or even an STi for that money.

It seems that most of the kids on this site want a FT86 with tons of power and super affordable.....not gonna happen.

Answers like the one from Trevor, MikeZ32 or ez are a clear example of the maturity level.

To answer your question, this poll does not belong on this site. The maturity level of most of the readers on this site is too low to comprehend what it takes to develop such a car.

18

BOOST

I think the boxter is cool specially if they use the sti set up just to the rear

If not that... a 2JZ will be perfect, but that's not gonna happen.

19

NA to keep costs down, it doesnt have to have tons of power as long as they keep it relatively light weight, give it a high reving engine, six-speed manual, and a good suspension and ill be happy.

20

Small turbocharged motor is what it will have. Why?



1. rice appeal

2. fuel economy

3. fuel economy

4. fuel economy

5. rice appeal

21

there are some awfully judgemental people on this post

hate the car [and thier stupid comments], not the builder.

But anyways, it would be nice to see an optional turbo package; something with variable symmetry, like a honeywell or something...with a turbo timer...just something new

22

You all know how the 4A-GE sounded while naturally aspirated, and now picture that but with a Subaru engine. It's heaven in progress.

23

i would like to see a high revving na motor but i doubt it will be competitive and pulled off well....so i say turbo....but i hope they prove me wrong. :)

24

Flat 4 turbocharged!!! THING IS GONNA BE A BEAST ONCE ITS MOD & TUNED!!! RAWRRRR

25

NA. Easier to maintain, and you can always bolt a turbo on if you really want to.

26

If Subaru has anything to do with it, NA would be fatal.

27

i agree with corey.

im thinking na.

a remastered NA 2jz would be sick.

28

Please stop with the turbos and just make real proper power and torque.

29

I'd like some "go" with my "show"



Plus the game has changed, and it'd have to compete with other force fed cars.

30

lol someones had a bad experience with his subaru. turbo all the way, high revving is just an excuse for no power.

31

If they are going to use Flat-4, they sould use a Cosworth block rather than the Subaru's

33

No box for "It's not going to happen"? Toyota has been crying wolf over this car for five years now. The auto media is now the advertising arm of ToMoCo. If you had any pride, you'd black out this story until the car is on the showroom floor, then it will be news. Meanwhile, why not run a poll asking what everyone is going to do after they win the power ball lottery? That's more likely than this car actually going on sale.

34

NA : 3SGE or 2ZZ

Turbo :Updated version of a 3SGTE.



Im sure it will be a four cylinder motor and if they are going to make it with a turbo im sure they will put some thing that is in production already like the flat four STI motor. What ever it is its going to be good.

35

I'd go for the turbo, if for no other reason than a guaranteed Cobb AccessPort and cheaper power.

36

NA!! Turbo AE86? I would be fail.

37

Go NA! Stick to NA and if your a jdm fanboy tuner you can slap a big turbo on it ! This way those of us who enjoy the idea of a non turbo power house can enjoy it too.

38

N/A, everyone and their brother will turbo it on their own.

39

turbo!! so much more potential.....

40

NA is the expensive way to go slow... turn up sthe boost and burn those tires..

41

....again, some comments are just plain stupid; "a 2JZ engine"....."Cosworth block"......listen to yourself folks....

The 2JZ was a great engine, but shall we move forward? Cosworth engine cost some pretty penny....

If Toyota/ Subaru use the EJ20, most of the R&D is taken care of (meaning, the cost of the car could be lower than most of us expect). If they come out with something new, expect the price to be closer (if not higher) than $30K....in which case it will draw away a lot of drifter wannabe.

Weight is the main concern for most people. The FT86 should be around 2700 lbs to be appealing. These days making power is easy, but engineering a nimble- predictable chassis is not that easy.

Double wishbone front and rear is a must, along with a 50/50 weight distribution is the name of the game....

42

NA. but have a feeling it will be boosted...sad...

43

Super responsive, high revving NA engine. Slapping a turbo on a decent engine doesn't make it a great engine, but making it kick ass without a turbo makes a great engine. Something along the lines of the s2000 engine.

44

I vote NA. Throttle response, Yamaha tuned sound (like LFA) , reliability , and decent gas milage. If Honda can do it, why not Toyota?

45

N/A (I4 would be ideal) for the Toyota, turbo boxer for the Subie. Heritage IS important.

46

NA Forever for the future 86

47

Aspirated.. I agree with you Zerogoki , does not like bad 3S ....

48

I really hope they don't put an EJ in it. If anything, it should be in 350Z territory and they put a 3.5 Toyota motor in it. Obviously one with a manual trans.



The throttles alreedy got stuck, we don't need them to catch on fire as well. haha. Bite me Subaru.

49

N/A with option for boost

51

Light weight 4 banger with at least 270hp... N/A or Turbo, preferablely turbo for the ease of more ;)

52

I'm much more an NA guy, but it won't be light because it's modern, and it's got a boxer, so NA it would be like an asthmatic dog farting. Turbo is the only choice left, and is pretty well developed by now.

53

I say it should have both. One engine option, a NA Subaru-sourced engine. And then, for the top-level, a turbocharged (possibly TT?) descendant of the 1 or 2JZ-GTE. I mean, c'mon, a little car like the FT-86 doesn't need much power to get it going pretty good.

55

just drop a 2UZ-FE in it and call it a day.

56

GO 3S-GTE!!!!!

57

Toyota naturally aspirated 1.6 or 1.8 Liter Inline-4, DOHC 16-valve cylinder head made by Yamaha.



Poll is 50/50 now. :)

58

Option of a turbo 4 or high revving 6 :D

59

Why so much EJ25 hate here?

60

High revving inline 4 into this baby Z please! =]

61

Holy crap, its dead even. 50% on both!!



i was going to go with Turbocharged but then after thinking about its roots, it should be NA. it might even be cheaper and in our price range. i can see the FT86 getting a lot of aftermarket support so im pretty sure a turbo kit would be made for it. Or better yet, whynot make a NA and Turbo models

62

Alex...this is no place for you or your rational thinking!

63

Alex is right. Also, I vote NA. Honestly though, I'm bettiing it will be way underpowered and a bit on the heavy side...

64

I would expect a mild revvy N/A to be released for the base trim. If Subaru supplied the mill then I would expect a turbo version to be available after the 1st year but not right off the bat. Knowing Toyota likes a piece of the aftermarket pie I would expect TRD to release a boost kit with a warranty. Who knows, it may end up the next Scion with multiple releases....

65

Im wondering why the hell they need subaru to help them to design this car ? is it gonna be all wheel drive or turbocharged ? Obviously people expect 4 cyl higher rpm beast under the hood, they should've gotten together with honda instead since they have a good example of such engine like the one used on s2000 F20... In other words building their car and installing f20 or f22 in it would be a perfect combination. Subaru engines suck, they are famous of having head gasket problem, what else do you expect from the engine which is laid so that one side of the combustion chamber gets hotter than the other one because heat distributes upward therefore to upper side of the cylinder...

And yes, i know they dont need me to advise them about what to do and bla bla bla...

get life haters...

66

NA ALLLLLLLLl the way.... Still sucks its running Subaru gear..... Keep her toyota...... Horse a Brian Crower stroked 1.8 20 valve into her :) Then she'd be AWESOME and shed warrant the 86 Tag!

67

boxer ruble with turbo please

69

As for a boxer-4 engine, it must be turbo.

Can't imagine how many power can the boxer produce if it is a N/A.

Recalling the history, the boxer is always fun with turbo only.

If it is a N/A boxer with high-revving, I will be concerning about the reliability due to gravity.

I think it would be nice to keep the basic config of AE86, inline 4, FR, LSD.

but the engine come with 2.0 litre for inline 4 with high revving. (8500 rpm limit)

3SGE is of course a nice one, but this is already an aged one.

I think Toyota is not going to use this in a new car like this.



Moreover, using a V6 2.5 litre will be nice too.

Sharing the IS250 engine to keep the development cost lower a bit,

adding a turbo to this V6,

and re-designing the header to give it some special charateristics,

like sound, revving limit, power band width.

I think a turbo engine will be fun enough to come with 7500 rpm red line.



2JZ will never appear in any Toyota new car,

as for the reason of air pollution restricting issue.

70

i really hope they dont change the body too much

and no hybrid GOD please no hybrid

71

They probably make a turbo and an NA version

72

A nice trick NA motor, should least put out 240/260 bhp or more!, try and stay away from a v6 for cost, but one of the infamous Toyota V6 engines would work a treat, but then too much like a Nissan 370 etc (as meant to be a affordable, light weight car).

Some engine, Toyota has in development, a nice 2. Something, with vvti, and maybe ITBs.

73

turbo that bitch. the legacy of a supra had better be turboed

74

NA! FTW! Pure art of 10 000rpm power without any help of turbos.

75

High output NA screamer. But knowing manufacturers these days, the base will have a weak NA powering a heavy body with the top level turbo being the only engine up to the task of handling the weight.

76

I understand that subaru helped make this new car, but it should def NOT be a flat-4. As many other people have said, it should probably have separate package in which the buyer can choose to have the car be turbocharged or not.



-Though it would be nice to see another classic NA screamer from toyota again.... = )

77

How about both? If it's going to be the EJ under the hood, then just provide both, with turbo as the more expensive, made to order option.

78

turbo flat four is way better then them putting the 2.4L motor out of the scion. Thats exactly what they would do. Toyota is not gonna develop some new N/A motor worth a damn for a half subaru half toyota sports coupe.

79

I reckon a high revving NA engine like some of the Honda VTECs would be sweet in this car.

80

NA to begin with with a turbo varient down the track

81

I got a 3sgte and its awesome. I think an updated 3sgte would be epic

82

To properly embrace the AE86 of the past a Naturally Aspirated Engine WITH Individual Throttles from the factory woulda definetly made every fans wish list more then any turbo or supercharger set up.

83

toyota engine please, no boxer!!!

85

built high power NA engine,can reach 10k rpm!!!

86

I think people are realy retared at this sit, you want a 2JZ in this new FT86! First of the 2JZ is big heavy pease of cast iron crap, if you want a 6 cylinder engine i rather would see a 2GR-FSE.



And another thing the 2JZ couldnt pass emission test in 1998!!!! How do you think its gonna do that in 2011!

87

It'll have to be a boxer engine as they designed it with a low hood/bonnet line for good aerodynamics. There would be no room for a longitudinally mounted inline 4.

88

This is toyota chance to reinvent their high perfomance cars as high reving ones, especially since the introduction of the LFA. No other manufacture is known for high reving other than maybe honda but with the death of the S2k this toyota chance to dominate such market

89

N/A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90

Hey, all you retards that hating on the flat-4 that's going inside it, lemme ask you this, you think a tiny i4 is gonna do any better? The flat-4 has more torque, so stop hating.

91

Make a 3jzgte

/thread

92

they should make it a high revving inline 4 in the tradition of the original ae86..its sad that a company as big as toyota is that far off the mark by using a subaru engine ? how many na subaru cars you seen at the drift track or roadracing?...its to late anyway i am sure toyota already knows what it will do...they could have gotten this so right though what a shame the hyundai genesis might be a better car.....

93

I think it needs a chevy v8

94

@Corey: if you don't want a Boxer engine, then buy the Toyota, genius. As for the toyota's engine, i only suggest (and expect) the turbo IF and i mean IF they plan on really making it an engine as capable and powerful and reliable as the 4AG. Otherwise, stick to the original. Sometimes it's better not to mess with the original thing.

95

but on the bright side i bet a 3sgte will fit and you know someone is gonna put a sr20det in there....

96

"2JZ, 3SGE, 2ZZ !!!!!!!!!! " why'd you want an old engine like that in a brand new car? Afaik the boxer heads are being worked on by Toyota (and possibly Yamaha, like with the 1/2ZZ). And flat layouts work great for N/A engines, good balanced, just take a look at Porsche.

97

I see there is alot of 2JZ wishes here but fact is that is a heavy engine for a little nimble car.

Wit a big engine like this there is also a big heavy transmission to to get in there. The weight will the just eselate out of proporsion.



Boxer engine i do not know the weight of but i cant imagine it will be any hevyer than the 2JZ engine.

This is to be a light waight car and you want big power you might as well consider a supercharged 1UZ V8 from Lexus. But I am more game wit a 3SGE beems machine og a 4AGE Black top modified even more then befoer or some of the newer Tsport engines wich you find in the Celicas and even in the Lotus exhige. Then put a compressor on then at you have a light waight engine wich produces around 230 HP in a light waigth car and lots of potential to grow.



The 3SGE or a 3SGTE engine is also welcome and should be developed enough now to be close to 300 HP on the 3SGTE engine and 210 in the 3SGE engine. without any problems. wich may make the car more front heavy then we like. but plenty of power.



Then we have the subaru engines wich I do not know the name of right now. But there is no doubt that they do fit well in this car since it is what the engineers have thought out for this car. and we know the subaru engines are relighebal and powerful. a engine from a STI WRC street car will still produce close to 300 HP so still plenty for a light weight car. with lots of tuning potential.



And in the spitrits of drifting, when did they not tune theier cars to perfection after they got the orginal one...

98

even the great Tsuchya-san asked for turbo!!

99

BOTH! It should be optional to have an N/A or factory boosted inline 4.

100

50% / 50%

ALEX want a FT-86, he is a high school JDM wanna-be drifters

101

they should put a BEAMS 3s-ge on that thing...

102

Both options should be available, but if I have to choose I would say high-revving NA just for the true ae86 spirit + cheaper and easier to maintain.

103

3SGE tuned to around 270bhp please!

104

I already expressed my opinion is regard.

Now Mike Garrett (or some other Speedhunters staff) is going to collect the data gathered here and send it to Toyota......lol.....so that they can build you guys your dream FT86.

You guys (SP staff) are probably cracking up right now, so am I.

105

Alexx ! !, have you missed somthing!, the whole point of it, is is a REAL car, its a RWDer, replacement of the iconic AE86 :)

106

high revving naturally aspirated is the only way inline

107

A high revving n/a would be better for drifting and reliability =]

108

Damn 100 coments....Toyota please release more info! We need this car.

109

High revving N/A all the way!

Forced induction is for the little ones

trying to compensate for little engines.

110

Joint venture with Subaru gives the engine platform away, turbo of course...

111

If Toyota really want to stay in the spirit of the AE86, then they are going to have to forget about making money on this car... And saving the wales, and passing emissions tests. They should also throw the carbon credits out the window. Build a psycho N/A, I want at least 11,000 RPM. Come on Toyota! Do it for your names sake

112

ok i didnt want to get into this agument but i think it should be na at first to keep it cheep then eventualy come out with a turbo option i would rather like to see any 4 cylinder motor other then the subie motor simpaly because of the sound but i have a feeling thats already set in stone. But, on the other hand just like the tubo thing, i would love to see a inline 4 option. No 2uz TRUCK motor and no 2jz, its not the supra its the 86

113

the boxer has a lower cg and should keep the cost down

114

You all do realise the EJ20, or even the EJ25 boxer isn't that great an engine in NA form. It doesn't have lift, or high profile cams. It doesn't rev to the moon. It's underpinings are ancient. The EJ20 was in the Liberty RS from the late 80's, which then made it's way into the wrx. It has to be turbo to be any good. And it won't cost any more to develop a turbo FT86 than an NA FT86, because development is already done. The Liberty RS, and all the WRXs from the 90's to now have the same engine.



Yes, you may wish that it will be like the 4age, the 2zzge, 3sge beams, but the ej20 is not like any of those. It's meant to have a turbo whacked on and delivering good mid range thrust.



Yes, you may want to pretend you're Takumi delivering tofu in a light weight low powered car, but will you think that way after dropping US$25k/JPY2.5m on a car that looks fast but gets beaten by every boring fridge mobile camry?



The game's changed. Honda's Civic Type R (hatch), and even your yank Civic Si, isn't that great when compared to its competition of force fed hot hatches. If the competition is big displacement or force fed powered cars, a 2L NA boxer will not do. Mx5 is an exception, but even then I'm sure everyone wants the 2.3 MZR turbo from the mazdaspeed 3 in it.



Oh, and the 4age/3sge/3sgte/1jzgte/2zzge engines are dead. They're old tech. And they failed to meet emissions and fuel economy targets. As much as we'd wish they were brought back, they'll never be put into a new vehicle ever.

115

A high revving n/a would be better for drifting and reliability =]

116

NA is Best but in todays world of emissions testing and fuel economy its more likely it will be a turbocharged straight 6. God forbid its a flat 4 or flat 6, the note from those engines are terrible!

117

Isn't it already known that the FT86 will be available in 2 versions ?

One with a 2liter NA Boxer engine slightly tuned to develop about 200Hp

and another one with the 2,5liter STi Turbo engine with 300 or more Hp !

119

Reliable 350hp, in a lightweight package

120

Im going with a normal 1.5 inline 4 with vvti, all in all id say it would be safe 2 say this engine is going have vvti.

122

Turbo charged version of the 2ZZ-GE out of the celica. it seems to work incredibly well for the Lotus... just got to find a way to mount it north -south rather than east- west like a fwd...

123

there should be an option for boosted or n/a like the genesis coupe. but if it were to have one option it should be turbo. so it can be competitive and more appealing to the public. n/a gets nowhere. look how slow the 350z is or the g35 or the v6 genesis, rx8,they are wack and a half and slow. now adays you need boost to have fun

124

so suck that all you "n/a high reving" tards. revs dont get you anywere unless you have the cubic inches or power to do so .

125

NA!

beams 3sge blacktop 6 speed



same with altezza



problem solved

126

what ever !! it just have to be able to drift as ae86 and thats enough ;)

127

2jz also would be perfect :)

128

Quit being stupid, for 25K they are not gonna make a 350 turbo charged engine.

129

the design of the car (low slung hood with no hood scoop) warrents a na ej20, i imagine that it will be tweeked to a 7-7200 redline and make 200-210hp. theyll prob make a top of the line trd version down the line thats 280hp, but there not gonna give it more power than their more tech, moreexpensive sti. also to the person who said they should colabo with Honda, Toyota has a major stake in fuji and therefore owns them, thats the reason for the colabo. this is about MONEY, and thats it! if you think toyota gives a crap about any performance take a look at how big they played everybody with scion! when that brand came out it was suspose to be the brand of youth and speed, they had honda with their si, type r models as their target, 6 years later scion imo is a big fail, the most popular versions of the brand are all factory backed big budget cars (nascar powered rwd drift car/ awd ta cars with a f-wing/ 2jz powered drag cars with glides) and ive yet to see a quick street versions yet. maybe a couple hardparkers with go-fast bits but no real quick scions.



ive got a feeling toyota is pulling the same game again, there reliability is their biggest asset and what toyotas are know for, their going through a tough year on that reliability front. so im guess there gonna play it safe and slow. pretty car thats looks fast, with no backbone or power...

130

the design of the car (low slung hood with no hood scoop) warrents a na ej20, i imagine that it will be tweeked to a 7-7200 redline and make 200-210hp. theyll prob make a top of the line trd version down the line thats 280hp, but there not gonna give it more power than their more tech, moreexpensive sti. also to the person who said they should colabo with Honda, Toyota has a major stake in fuji and therefore owns them, thats the reason for the colabo. this is about MONEY, and thats it! if you think toyota gives a crap about any performance take a look at how big they played everybody with scion! when that brand came out it was suspose to be the brand of youth and speed, they had honda with their si, type r models as their target, 6 years later scion imo is a big fail, the most popular versions of the brand are all factory backed big budget cars (nascar powered rwd drift car/ awd ta cars with a f-wing/ 2jz powered drag cars with glides) and ive yet to see a quick street versions yet. maybe a couple hardparkers with go-fast bits but no real quick scions.



ive got a feeling toyota is pulling the same game again, there reliability is their biggest asset and what toyotas are know for, their going through a tough year on that reliability front. so im guess there gonna play it safe and slow. pretty car thats looks fast, with no backbone or power...

131

I don't understand why people would pay north of 25K for a 4 cyl non-turbo sports car specially knowing the car will have a subaru boxer engine. Unless you are really stupid and a fanboi, you will be asking for such N/A motor. Maybe the lower trim model might be the N/A motor from the impreza but i wouldn't even consider buying the vehicle if it costs more than 16K, like Scion Tc when it first came out.

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