In the last year or so, few new performance cars have attracted more attention than the Toyota 86, Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ. If reports are to believed, it sounds like Toyota would like to to complement the 86 with two additional rear-drive sports cars. According to Car Advice, chief engineer Tatsuya Tada has confirmed that Toyota has already begun development on both larger and smaller cars to join the 86 in the lineup.
Although neither has been approved for production yet, the idea would be to have the current 86 sit right in the middle of the three. The larger car would most likely be the oft-rumored new version of the Supra (perhaps produced in partnership with BMW), while the smallest would sit below the 86. Obviously details are sketchy at this point, but the idea of having not one but three rear-drive Toyotas is certainly something to be excited about.
Would the new small car be a reborn MR2? A roadster? Something else? We’re curious to hear your thoughts on this!
This conversation is killing me!!! I have 1991 Toyota Cressida (RWD Sedan) that I'm just about to give up on, and then I see all these rants and raves about RWD cars. I've been on a new/used car search for months now and nobody (car dealerships/salesmen that is) has a clue why I love my car so much. 3.0L straight 6 RWD 1991 TOYOTA! There is NOTHING (that I can afford) that can replace this car. I love, love, love my Cressida. But, it leaks here and then there and then here again. Poor thing is just old. But, I'll tell you what......I love it when I'm trying to merge onto the freeway and people look at me like "hurry up old lady" and I just put it down and laugh my butt off as I disappear. I might be getting old(er), but I still like to have fun. I just watch them in my review mirror. They look like the Jack in the Box guy on the commercials when he doesn't smile. I'm glad to see so many people voting for the Supra to make a come back. It was basically the sports car that hides under the Cressida body. Should I keep my Cressida alive?
That's WOW. It's curious how the biggest car company in the world can start a revolution in a world dominated by eco - bio - down to earth technologies and make a huge jump into...FUN.
i think we all agree it would / should be the Supra for the top end car. although for the bottom end most ppl said the starlet, i think it could be the Celica in its most raw nature... before the 4wd came greatness and much before the FF stupidity of course... imo that is...
I think if they were to make a supra again, it would be to compete with the GTR, witch would be awesome. It would also be nice to see a X chassis with an I6 turbo. A new MR2 would be cool but only if it was hard top with a Targa/T top option.
I don't think this could be smaller than the 86 but how about a MR with V engine. Don't bomb me please.
The world needs a new MR2. I wonder if you could squeeze the FA20 up against that multilink rear with a transaxle in between?
And we'd need a turbo option of course. And can we keep it below 1200kg?
I found japanese carsite. How about it?
Wow, something that is below the 86 range, I can't wait !Nissan, pls give some resource to your Silvia ! You losing big time.
Sooo, maybe a new 4AGE? Just food for thought. If they make an MR2 I hope it is lighweight and has an I4 similar to the old MR2 from the eighties. I'm not too concerned about plans with the supra I am definitely more focused on the MR2. Lastly, if they for some reason wanted to bring back the starlet I'd be freaking stoked.
I would say that the smaller car would be the one to be produced in partnership with BMW. The plan is, from what I've read, to give BMW an entry level vehicle with 4cyl. turbo in the $20k range. I would wager that that would be the smaller RWD car. Hopefully the larger car will be the rumored Supra replacement, and I would wager that it'd have some sort of hybrid system, kind of like the new NSX.
If they make a Supra or Celica/MR2, I hope they are drivers cars, just like the GT86. Not to much gadgets, that makes it to expensive. And they have to look good!
I'm for all of that, except the FA20. Let Subaru keep that. Waaaay more potential with the 2AR. It'll be easier to fit j, weighs less, and Aasbo/Papadakis have proven its potential under boost. Plus, its a TOYOTA engine.
Subtract the turbo (and the FA20) and I think your idea actually has a pretty good chance of becoming reality.
Thank you. Someone who clearly has a soul within his body. The industry needs this. It's bleeding out and that kind of car is a tourniquet in the world of a hemorrhaging industry. It wont solve everything, but it's a damn good start. I like that. You have my vote for president of Mazda / Toyota / Honda good sir.
Lol. Toyota's been pretty serious about their performance stuff lately. I wouldn't be surprised to see something on point.
@AM81 I swear every time I come back to this post and see another person in favor of bringing back the Starlet I tear up a little.
Just the two names merging into one car make it hard to believe this would be a low to mid 20k range car. I would expect this to easily be 27-29k without mark ups. Out the door I would guess people pay easily 32k for this vehicle if it is in fact a BMW partnership.
We'll have to see...
@Esox Lucius A little unrealistic, but that would be awesome!
@Ben Scales The Scion tC is the new Celica. Plus, the Celica was never a true sports car. N/A 4cyl FWD with only 150hp or so... Not a sports car.
The MX5 NC has a 1.8 liter 126 HP version, so I don't see, why there wouldn't be a place for a GT with ~150 HP.
@allenallthings Its all thanks to Akio Toyoda, New head of Toyota, he has a proper car back ground/love off motorsport, and a motorsport licence !,be like the 80s/90s Toys again, do !.
BMW started to use the turbo petrol 4cyl "Prince engine" in 2011.
Go test drive a 114i if you have the chance, I doubt these will be changed anytime soon as they are quite awesome (considering being entry-level)
@Mike Garrett Hey Mike, I think a Poll is in order. Whether the small car should be an MR2 or a Starlet (even if we all know its an MR2). You might be surprised...
@Oregon85 @Ben Scales Point taken, however it can also be argued that a 151WHP RWD Boxer is not a "sports car" either.
@Oregon85 and even so the FF layout didnt begin till mid 80's
@Oregon85 try again pal. Youre limiting yourself to the newer style celicas. im talkin first gen 70-77'. FR layout. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica#Second_generation_.28A40.2C_A50.3B_1977.E2.80.931981.29
@Simply P Sounds right, I got to race a Fiat X1/9 that weighed 1200lbs with about 320whp and it flew like shit off a shovel. Not as fast as the Carrera GT I got a ride in, but it was for sure faster in mid to low speed corners.
The first "fast" car I ever drove was Rotary Starlet Turbo. Only made like 350-ish, but I swear I've driven 600hp cars that weren't as fast.
114i? was that the rumored turbo 4 cylinder that was putting out like 240hp? Gonna do some reading now, thanks for the info.