KERS sounds like a great idea for the 86.

dislike. this is practically the only pure car we have out right now. the only one that the actual driver can be the driver of. keep it exactly how it is. let the trd have a cent. supercharger and let sti throw on a nice little production turbo. for the first time since the late 90's (and arguably a little into the 2000's) someone can work on their car because its so simple. don't ruin it with computers and bullshit.

I was really excited about the idea of Subaru and Toyota taking them in their own directions, BRZ getting the STI treatment with a new engine, injection system and turbo. Toyota milling around with a supercharged version of the 86/FR-S. As I already own a 2010 STI I would love to have a Supercharged 86 but if they take it the heavy and expensive hybrid with KERS way, im out mannnnnn!

@TomHoward Subaru is http://www.autoblog.com/2012/10/22/subaru-developing-engine-for-brz-turbo/   and  http://www.autoblog.com/2012/11/01/possible-subaru-brz-sti-sighting-on-the-ring/

@CraigW83 I see good days ahead of us (hopefully).

Please let toyobarus die in a horrible fire and give us something that doesnt cost $30,000 for under 200hp in a floppy scion shitbox. That is all. Well.. and no KERS I guess because you know, I dont want to ever see another 86 in production. Toyota got it right the first time, this thing is blasphemy coming out 20 years later with the same damn power, more weight and claiming it as innovative. Please quit trying to make this a cool car, we get you people at scion are very good at marketing.. but wouldnt it be nice to leave just one part of the car market not completely raped by coprorate ass hats promoting a sub 200 hp rwd TC as a damn "drift car"? (nice commercials powersliding in the rain tho! thats sure impressive!)
 
Can someone also please link me to one of these tings with the stock engine actually powersliding and not just lift off over steering? I don't belive these "drift cars" can actually even drift in stock form.

If anyone can build an effective performance oriented KERS (they already have built and sold millions with KERS but for different purposes) it is Toyota.
 
Honda has already done this with the newest CR-Z though.

Wow. A lot of hate for technology I doubt anyone in here has any experience with.... you know, except for all us F1 drivers and GT3 owners.

@Fkitbtn Two questions for you - have you actually driven one? Since when did the original AE86 come with 200BHP!? For the record, they do drift in the dry in stock form.

@Fkitbtn You obviously missed the first videos of Ken Gushi drifting the holy crap out of it and linking a whole track on press day. I believe it was featured on here. Open mouth, insert foot?

@Hanma  @CraigW83  @TomHoward They're gonna have to if they want the Subaru fan boys to buy one what Subaru nut wants an 200bhp n/a

i think that should more effort into reviving other models.... Supra, celica and the old SW20 MR2.....

@Fkitbtn What do you mean Toyota got it right the first time?  When the AE86 Corolla Trueno was launched (alongside it's sedan/hatch/seca variants), Toyota had no idea that it would have the following it has today.  It was just another model in a line of Corollas designed and built for the purpose of ferrying people around effectively and efficiently.  A lot of that fame can be attributed to Initial D, when the takumi tax started being stamped on the trueno models because guys saw this teen drifting his through the touge.  Tbh I don't even know from what angle I should attack your "argument" from.  You just sound like an angry kid going on a rant.  What do you mean by stick to the damn basics?  Are you mad cos there's a lot of safety engineered into the vehicle because these are basic standards that are set by governing bodies.  They're for your own good, because 16 year olds like you think you can drift a car in a video game, go out and smack yourself into a side of mountain.  
 
I don't know why your particular post irritated me.  Maybe it's because of your childish demeanor that spills out all over everything you have typed.  Maybe it's because you have in no way provided no argument as to why you think your suggestions are better than what toyota and subaru have come up with.
 
Maybe come back when you've driven a wider range of cars with out using a d-pad.  Come back when you understand the dynamics of cars out in the market in that price range and why the 86 is a god send.  Come back when you've even experienced being in a 'under powered" car that's been driven at 10/10ths.  Then when you come back, try make these arguments again. 
 
In the mean time, please fuck off from making stupid comments in the comment section of a great blog where I usually enjoy reading good feedback from learned folk around the world.

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@Fkitbtn fucking moron. You try too hard to be cool. All this shit talking just proved yourself to me a complete idiot. Just shut the hell off and go jack off to yourself in mirror. Shooting your own cum on your own face will make yourself happy.
We understand dude, don't cry ok? It's okay, cry babies like you are normal. We have our sympathy for you

@Hanma  @CraigW83  @TomHoward  They're gonna have to if they want the Subaru fan boys to buy one. What Subaru nut wants a 200bhp n/a? All the ones I know a laughing at the present BRZ..

I'm sorry but I don't get these hybrid things in sports cars... Sports cars ar much about weight, and how much performance they can get out of that weight...KERS or other hibrid stuff have such a poor "specific" output, I mean, the power to weight ratio of those things are terrible.... With kers, you would like something like 50 or 60kg maybe more, a lot of complexity, just  to have a few seconds of extra power... that's crap...The truth is wich a supercharger or turbo charger, you will get a lot more extra power than KERS, with unlimited time of extra boos, and with much less extra weight added to the car... So... A turbocharged/supercharged GT86 would be much more powerfull, less complex and lighter than a GT86 with KERS....

@Fkitbtn boxer engines actually have fairly high specific output as compared to non-boxer motors, turbo or not. The ae86's that was "right the first time" can be fairly competitive with 150 horsepower.

@Fkitbtn boxer engines actually have fairly high specific output as compared to non-boxer motors, turbo or not. The ae86's that was "right the first time" can be fairly competitive with 150 horsepower.

Let F1 sort out the bugs and bring it to market when it's good and solid.

@LavarBowers what about lag?

@Skiptaylor  Battery =/= KERS...

So in theory, every hybrid is capable of having a true "KERS" system to you. It just needs an "S+" button capable of a slightly higher discharge rate. If that's the case, then I'll join the "KERS haters club" since an electric motor and battery packs (making it a hybrid) would ruin the idea behind the FR-S in my opinion.

@Mr Tanuki Well obviously it has computers, I'm not saying the gas pedal is a direct unaltered control to a butterfly valve or that their aren't abs or traction control systems. However I'm saying the frs/brz is a major step in a more simple direction in a modern world which is heading exactly the other way (how many other cars can say they have been compared to the legendary e30 in terms of drivability status). And your right its not the "only" car of its kind but it is the most appealing and most widely noticed/talked about. Its the precedent for Nissan putting out an s16 or Mazda maybe( hopefully please please please) making a fe. All im saying is we have finally gotten a major car company to take a step in OUR direction, and its awesome. I just don't want to see it take a step back.

@PaddyMcGrathSH I will never set foot in one and if you can't clearly see it was a comparison of how out of line the new one is with less than 200hp when compared to the equivalent built 20 years ago it's sad but if you guys are happy paying $30k for a less than 200hp scion go for it, I still think its a huge let down and $10,000 over priced. I'm still waiting for video showing them drift in stock form. I want to see a toyobaru drift in the complete dry not on a skidpad or a track that has clearly been being rained on throughout that day. BUT THEY DRIFT THEM IN THE COMMERCIAL!!!

@ChristianClark You obviously missed where I said in the dry and that entire track was damp at the worst the entire time, when it wasnt damp it was straight up raining. Try again.

@GraysonParker I have nothing against a boxer engine I just don't get why you would want the widest, most awkwardly sitting engine configuration in a "drivers car" and then put it in the front where it can't help. Even if you say they make good power it doesnt matter when they left the thing at 180hp. I must be the only one that would have rather seen them have a properly built  n/a inline 6.

@GraysonParker I have nothing against a boxer engine I just don't get why you would want the widest, most awkwardly sitting engine configuration in a "drivers car" and then put it in the front where it can't help. Even if you say they make good power it doesnt matter when they left the thing at 180hp. I must be the only one that would have rather seen them have a properly built  n/a inline 6.

Given the amount of innovation and and supreme engineering that Tetsuya Tada has put in the 86 I would completely trust Toyota's decision. This would up the hype behind the frs and make it even more unique.

@LavarBowers great idea.
let's boost a 12.5:1 high comp engine.

@LavarBowers great idea.
let's boost a 12.5:1 high comp engine.

It's kind of a double edged sword... On one hand I would like to say that anything good enough for a race car is good enough for a street car. But on the other hand I don't want to see this car get over complicated.

@PaddyMcGrathSH I'll start by saying I'm 22 own an E36 M3 track car(by the way what do you drive?) and I have watched that shitty video of the soaking wet track and a toyobaru sliding around plenty of times and after three times of me asking that is all you guys can come up with.. because they cant actually powerslide a corner they can just oversteer and fight for traction, no one has shown me a  video of a toyobaru sliding in realistic (not set up like your glorious raining track video or a scion commercial) conditions so you can drop your first paragraph right there.
 
It's not a personal opinion on price when you are paying $30,000 for something with under 200hp and calling it good value. And the engine may be a good engine, I have NEVER said it wasnt. What I am saying is its the wrong engine for the car. You can go on about a boxer sitting lower, but we all know if the engineers behind the car put some real effort into it they could have made an inline 6 sit just as low with almost no top weight for your precious wheel center roll you seem to care about when all of that should be sorted by the chassis and engineers without problems anyways.
 
I think its poor evolution and I'm not trolling. Its really NOT light weight and its VERY under powered for the time it came out in. Its TWO DECADES later and they have only managed to give the car ~80HP (being generous) and have managed to still add weight while using newer materials and cutting corners for power by trying to be clever and now look, they have to turbo it and add weight in even worse places just to make people happy.
 
By the way please stop over processing your photos. HDR color changes are way to obvious and this whole "cross processing" fad to attempt to look like film with gross yellow toning, fake vignetting and too much contrast is just pathetic, learn to shoot, process and above all learn where and how to properly use a soxt box.. Who the hell brings one underpowered light/soft box to shoot a car OUT DOORS instead of bringing something easy to use, powerful and even looking. You know, like flashes and umbrellas?  Whatever tho, I'd be stoked too if i was getting paid to go take snapshots. I'd LOVE to see how atrocious your .RAW files are.

@Fkitbtn it wouldn't retain the original spirit of the 2 cars they were trying to emulate in the first place, if it had an inline 6. the sport 800 had a boxer, which was the inspiration for the engine and the ae86 was a fairly simple, underpowered, fun car. those are both what this car is. and 180 hp from a 2 litre with no turbo is good no matter how you slice it

@Fkitbtn Oh dear, I obviously mistook you for a mature adult who could have a constructive argument without resorting to childish insults. My apologies. Please do go troll somewhere else though, you won't be missed.

KERS only on toyota to put or on Subaru also?

@GraysonParker Thank  f*ck someone gets it ...

@PaddyMcGrathSH  @Fkitbtn Rethink how you start your replies if you don't want to be criticized yourself. You start with "My reading of what you said is that you've never been in one, and probably aren't old enough to drive one. That's okay by the way, we were all too young for something or other in life at one stage." Is never going to get a reply with no sarcasm or criticism.

my bad rob id just assumed you would know to put lower compression pistons in it to make it work...silly me

Wow, Toyota 86 is evolving, i will buy it when it reach Final Phase.The Powerful Toyota 86 Hybrid version .I trust the chief engineer, he is Mr 86, he know what he talk about. go Tada-san!!