POLL: DISCUSSING THE NEXT NISSAN Z
This week’s Jay Leno video clip has started a lot of discussions about the next generation of the Nissan Z. Based on what we saw in the video, it seems Nissan may be planning to take the Z back to its roots. Surely Nissan will be looking for something to put up against the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ and we are still unsure whether that will come in the form of a smaller, simpler Z or in a reborn Silvia. For this week’s poll and discussion we want to talk about our ideas and hopes for the new Z and future Nissan enthusiast cars in general.
Do you want a smaller, cheaper Z? Turbo? Naturally aspirated? Retro styling? Or should Nissan leave the Z as is and introduce a new version of the Silvia instead?
Let’s discuss.
-Mike
This might get lost in the shuffle, but here are my thoughts...do what Nissan did in the 90's...Next Gen Z can carry the high performance advanced technology sub GTR formula in the $33k-$50k range as a ZX, drop the weight, add some power, improve fit-finish, make it a tack ready GT car with a loaded interior (ala Corvette). Then introduce a new chassis to carry the $24k-$31k range, 4-cylinder, direct injected turbo mill with 250-hp (seems about standard minimum nowadays for a turbo-4), rwd with 6spd and torsen LSD obviously (the rev-match trans would be a nice touch to the segment too), 2+2 config with an eye on aftermarket and track appearance (ala BRZ/FRS) and call it an SX. I like the idea everyone has about the individually picked options, but that pretty much requires every car to be custom ordered which I doubt is profit friendly. Still they could offer 3-4 trim options that cover a nice mix of trimmed down to trimmed up with a nice middle road. The next Z (ZX) needs to be sub 3k-lbs or high 29xx-lbs while the next S(SX) needs to hit the 26xx-27xx-lb range.
The only thing they need to be careful with on the next Z is watching out for the Genesis coupe and the next mustang. Expect the next Mustang to be a real game changer in this market whether you like it or not. It will have a good euro flare to it (inside and out), with a newly developed chassis, multiple performance engine options and it will cover a $24k-$65k market. I would expect the next Mustang GT performance to build from the current Boss-302 values and the V6 mustang to build off the current GT performance. Certainly there are some interesting times ahead in this market.
re make the 240Z, aim for similar size a weight when compared to the new 86, priced around 30% higher, fit it with an all alloy direct injected N/A 2.4lt straight six with a tuned length exhaust manifold from the factory, don't need 300hp+ if weight is kept somewhat low even around 250hp would be heaps, i'd see this as a car more for the driving experience then for outright pace and that's why it needs a straight six and tuned exhaust to give the appropriate soundtrack!
keep the z as is and re work with the years to come, but dont touch the z line up by re releasing.
> a variant of the s chassis would be best IMO, maybe an SR20 VARIANT,, 2.0-2.4 litre turbo , direct injection, or
a 2.5 n/a , maybe a new larger displacement engine as KA24..or QR25, of course a way better version. a 6 speed & make as nimble as s13, ,, dont offer the navi crap, sound system, no leather, just a simple interior offer 4 seats but the rear to be easily removable if you wanted. of course RWD, LSD, IRS .. boom .. / maybe offer the vehicle in limited production to see how it sells.. ? ,, just my opinion .. just keep the SX badging.. 200sx, 240sx, .. etc..
If Nissan wants to compete with the 86/BRZ than it's going to need some help and ingenuity. What I want to see is a Nissan/Honda Collaboration!! Nissan body/styling/chassis with Honda high revving inline 4 engine!! RWD!! LIGHTWEIGHT!! COUPE!! Badge as S16 or Z!! Who cares? Just make something great dammit!!
@cho Honda and Nissan?! NO. Maybe a Honda and McLaren or MG Rover or somebody they have working with in the past, like Isuzu, but not definitely not Nissan. They're sworn enemies.
I'd much rather have a Nissan engine, mostly because they actually have torque.
Well the Z isn't a Silvia or in the same family as the S13-S15's that are sooo popular, also haven driven a low mileage 72 240z that was stock, they were decently quick for it's time, i would like to see it evolve the current model of i'm not mistaken is actually smaller and lighter already so nissan is on the right path, but i want to see competion for the FR-S so a 2+2 seperate model with maybe the same small v6 is the G25 is due.
silvia s16 plzz!!!!
smaller simpler sports car with a snail.
NEW SILVIA PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!! hop on the brz market.
Hot six that revs and makes okay power, make it smaller, less weight in the body, more feedback from the steering, brakes etc, all that crap. Not the couch on steroids that they make at the moment.
Continue the evolution, none of this super-retro nonsense, the 370Z is a beautiful car, just simplify it, make it lighter, and more of a drivers car.
ninjapirate2 Eh, I think the front of it looks like a bulldog. Not the greatest front in my opinion..
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The 'new' Zs are actually a horrible warping of a great classic car. They weight as much as a boat, and are horribly under-powered. They are huge compared to the small stature of the classic Z, and the nose is way snubbed in comparison to the long elegance of the classic Z series. Nissan really fucked up with the re-release of the Z line, so let them fuck up the S chassis now.
Hi
I relly love the Iacoski’s Datsun Fairlady Z Concept old Datsun line with modern light and wheel look so great
HELLO SPEEDHINTERS !!my opinion like a huge car lover that i am ,if nissan decide to make a good entry again and run with the competitors like toyota and subaru new cars i think they have to build something different ,not something entirely new but a modern version of the s 30 something close to this
( http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Datsun_240Z_Concept_front.jpg )
( http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Datsun_240Z_Concept_side.jpg )
a modern engined 4 or 6 cylinders , 1.6 1.8 2.0 litre turbo or supercharged , in my opinion its not bad to follow the path that ford made with the GT and the mustang and other cars companies ,the plan worked well for them to reborn some legend models ,why not for nissan ? and if im right s30 its a japanese legend ,well if decide decide to make a new s chasie "silvia " it will be nice but not mind blowing like a new fairlady s 30 i think that the lovers of those cars (silvias)are still big and they don't need quiat yet a new Silvia .. they have three generations of it to "play" with, escuse me for my bad english !!
Big love for ya all from Greece, car lovers and anthusiasts here on speedhunters !!!!!
And please Nissan don't skip Greece this time with this new model s30 if you eventualy build it :) !
Driftstudent THIS!!! The first thing I thought of when I saw this article, but you beat me to it. I hope someone from Nissan has seen that thing before, because I dont think you could a better job of a modernized remake. Theres a reason people still drool over the 240z, lets take it back to the roots.
I think, that the new Z should be more like the GT86. It should be lightweight, as simple as possible drivers car, that has rear wheel drive, stick shift and LSD
Let me bring up some points here.
- Both 350z and 370z have been inspired by S30 already.
- Fairlady Z never come in 4 cylinder only inline 6 or v6.
I do not see how they can make Fairlady Z any cheaper if they are going to maintain 300hp 6cylinder. I do not think Nissan will downgrade the Z to compete with the new 86.
200 hp 4 cylinder sound like a Silvia to me.
both ! :D haha
new silvia!!!!!!
A new silvia pleasse!!!
Definetly Retro Styling inpired by the s30
New Silvia. About time car manufacturers started to care about the people that live and breathe their cars. Sure Z is an icon, but its not or ever was as versatile as the Silvia.
apex_DNA hmm... you might want to be careful on that claim. The Z has competed and won in all kinds of racing, from rally to land speed, IMSA to superGT, even Le Mans. Virtually every type of racing had some version of the Z competing. Now if you are talking about driving down to the market versatility, i might have to concede that claim though im sure there are plenty people comfortable with everyday grocery getting with a Z.
@grandtouring No other Nissan, or Japanese car for that matter, enjoys a better aftermarket support than the S-chassis. And it's got both professional racing and street credibility to back it up. From zero-yon to time attack, it's done it all. It's almost like comparing Camaro to a Corvette.
apex_DNA grandtouring Hondas may still have them beat in terms of after market support though the s chassis has come a long way. While the silvia has proven to be a very competitive platform, in terms of outright wins, trophies and championships i would still argue that the Z has done more for Nissan and the motorsports world than the silvia, especially in america since without it we wouldnt even have cars like the silvia. Also which cars do you place in your corvette/camaro comparison? Oh and i believe the fastest rwd drag(zero-yon) car is a VQ powered 350z down in Australia. Though I have yet to see a Z high level time attact.
apex_DNA sorry meant fastest rwd import*
Something fun n affordable... that's all...
I would love to see something with S30 influence in it!
I don't think a new rendition of the Silvia would sell as well.
Small, N/A, S30 styled please...
i doubt that they could pull off a good silvia again. i think a simple, clean, z, with a nice turbo would be perfect.
I would prefer a new BMW
i want somethinke the s30 and i also want a new silvia to keep it up with the toyobaru
Retro styled Z. I like the direction of the one showed in the video at the top of the "Z timeline", (above the 370z). The style they were going for looked very nice. The Z is more of the sports concept of nissan and a "smaller, simplerl" version IS the Silvia in a way, in my opinion that is. On top of that, im sure America wont be getting any "new Silvia", but the Z...most likely.
yeah on that leno episode the new lines on the Z def bring that old traditional styling which i do enjoy...maybe increase Z price range slightly and offer cheaper/smaller silvia??
I'd like a new Silvia...but lacking that...a retro styled Z
A new S13 styled S16 ;D
IMO we need an S16
Leave the current z as is, and introduce new silvia
new silvia.
They are a car company they will look at two cars in the new Z's creation, the previous S30, and the FT86. They want to make a intro low budget sports car because they don't have one right now. They are losing out on the potential sale there. It'll probably need to seat 4 to compete with the Toyota as well.
What I would like to see in the new Z is naturally aspirated, low on the weight, keep the long bonnet and move the engine back. They can't go as low as a Toyota placement wise due to that boxer engine, but I bet they can center the weight just as well. Just a beefed up motor that can take abuse like nothing. 6 speed which is pretty much given most days.
I think it could look like the Lyonheart K from Zolland design, but more 240ish. Check it out and see.
The Z series should remain the larger more expensive cars. They should make an S16, rear wheel drive of course, 6 speed manual, with maybe a modern SR20 with direct injection and a small, quick spooling turbo, giving the car more power at lower RPM, something that i think the GT86 lacks. the turbo as standard would also make people consider this new 'S' chassis over the GT86/BRZ. I don't think Nissan should try to style their new car of the old one's, to me the old Z's look great and they shouldn't try to make modern interpretations.
The z needs a 6 cylinder. What you guys are asking is like saying "let's make a cheap v6 corvette" It's a nice thought, but the z car is supposed to be a big engined gt car.
It's not possible to sell a "fast" car these days, for less than $30k. people complain about the BR-Z being slow, because it was sold without an intercooled turbo. If they sell a turbo BR-Z, it will be $35k+ They can't sell a "slow Z". wouldn't work. They have to sell a silvia, NA, and rely on the aftermarket to make it quicker.
I'm split I love the S30 (been actively hunting for one for a long time) But also the Silvia is amazing. I really hope the make both. Keep the Silvia a 4 and the S30 a 6
I want Nissan to build a car similar to the original S30Z and S13 Silvia. What they choose to call it does not matter. I think logically they ought to leave the Z as the larger performance car and a competitor to the Mustang, Camaro and Genesis coupe, and introduce a smaller car under the Silvia name.
Offer it with a hopped-up Juke engine making around 200bhp and it could be a real winner.
http://mrbadman.deviantart.com/art/Nissan-Silvia-Concept-37924787
this is what they should make. silvia/skyline/z32
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