This week’s Jay Leno video clip has started a lot of discussions about the next generation of the Nissan Z. Based on what we saw in the video, it seems Nissan may be planning to take the Z back to its roots. Surely Nissan will be looking for something to put up against the Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ and we are still unsure whether that will come in the form of a smaller, simpler Z or in a reborn Silvia. For this week’s poll and discussion we want to talk about our ideas and hopes for the new Z and future Nissan enthusiast cars in general.
Do you want a smaller, cheaper Z? Turbo? Naturally aspirated? Retro styling? Or should Nissan leave the Z as is and introduce a new version of the Silvia instead?
Let’s discuss.
-Mike
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bring back the 200sx, or anything with a sr20det variant
oh please do another silvia. the sr20det will most likely not be carried over due to emissions... but id love to see a new generation siliva s16?
I really want to see another sr20det based silvia, although that will never happen....
You could chuck in an RB26DETT and I wouldn't mind...
I'd venture to believe that they'd go with a retro S30 look with some kind of new 4 cylinder power probably either the MR16DDT 1.8L from the Juke or a detuned version of the DIG-T 1.6L after their success with the deltawing that made 300bhp with it.
@theycallmebatman Imconfused. mr"16"ddt, 1.8L? Was that a typo, or am I missing something?
I'd like to see a retro Z and a S16, and both offering a na and turbo option
I'd love to see the Z shrink a bit, and I'd be totally fine with the displacement coming down if it did. Retro styling to be more like the S30 ZG would be amazing, and there's a precident for it in the US market with the current Mustang/Challenger/Camaro's on the road.
Imagine a new version of the S30 with a high reving 3 liter v6, or a turbo 4. Fun! Just keep that nose long!
I would much rather an s16.
something smaller, lighter, high revving N/A would be nice
Mike Garrett, a discussion by its own definition means that there's some sort of interaction between the reader and the person who posted the article-you.
Answering people's question is not a discussion, you might want to start thinking about giving YOUR personal idea about this subject.
What do YOU think about the next Z? Do you want it a smaller Z, do you want it a reworked S chassis? A S16? Do you want it turbo, or N/A? Do you want it 5 speed or 6 speed? How much are you willing to spend for the next Z?
You guys (SH staff) always fail about giving the readers YOUR personal opinion.
@theycallmebatman they would not make a 4 cylinder, Its a Z its 6
I would want nissan to make it exactly like the old one. Guess thats not going to happen though..
Would love a low long nose design.... HOpe they do retro design like ford did with mustang and not some "Worse than hyundai" or "Vampire" wavy body line pos....
Id like for it to not be a sluggish, overweight, underpowered and unresponsive shitbox like the new ones, but we all know companies are too dumb to make something genuinly small, light and quick like the good old days. Just look at the BRZ.. a great idea executed poorly with years of over hype. I guess because you can trick 16 year olds into buying a rwd TC for $30,000 theres no need to make real cars..
On a not so negative note I'd love for the new one to be nimble and sleek as the old versions without the fat and dullness of the newer ones. around 2800 pounds (no more than 3000) with a turbo I4 or I would really love to see N/A Inline 6s come back but I really doubt nissan would do that. Just imagine.. say something close to an S54 with no vanos in something with the weight of an older Z with a renewed body and chassis. That would be nothing short of amazing imo. Now show us prototypes for two years with a bunch of stuff we won't get, throw a boxer engine in the front of it and get to marketing!
Why cant we have the same body style, with modern safety and powered by a turbocharged VQ?? That sounds good to me!
S30ish 4 seater???
WANT:
I really want to see Nissan re-use the styling of the 240Z, long front/fast back, and especially the headlights and the whole rear-end. I also want the sides of the car to be as smooth and as simple as possible, they really nailed it on the 370Z on this part, I really like it. One more thing is the size, they need to shrink the car a little bit, I found the newer Z are too big for my taste.
DON'T WANT:
I do not want to see too many vents and edgy kind of body shapes like many other today's cars. I also want the sides of the car to be as smooth and as simple as possible, they really nailed it on the 370Z on this part, I really like it.
A 4 banger with a mid range doughnut. Pair that with retro, Fairlady styling and I'm in heaven!
I should add I did not have 370Zs in mind when I posted this. I'd really like to see close to a 370 drivetrain set up in something as nimble and sleek as an old Z and minus a few hundred pounds from the new ones. It bugs me how someone can shape a car to resemble anything of a 350 and think its acceptable..
Needs a good inline 6 rwd, but make it look like an s30.
4 banger (possible turbo option), 6 speed, rwd, and classic S30 styling. This would be a winner for sure
As an owner of a 240Z I would say that building a new s30 would be a very tall order. Cars like these really cant exist anymore (kit cars or one-off can but not really from a large manufacturer) though from what toyota/subaru has shown us, they can get close.
Cars like the s30 are more than the sum of its parts. Its the way the styling, performance, and driver feel that made the s30 what it is. Having driven newer Z's i would say that they are fantastic cars in their own right but when i jump behind the wheel of my 240Z, they just cant compare to the feel and connection the 240Z has.
Now im sure they could make a very good lightweight sports car with styling queues from the s30, but it wouldnt be a s30.
Instead they should focus on what people want from their Z. Thats what made the 240Z such a sales success. It was light, quick, reliable and most of all affordable. 370z's start in the mid 30k and push well into the upper 40k. It becomes a hard sale when so many cheaper but competitive options exist on the market, its would be the 300ZX pricing it self out of the market all over again. If they could recapture the spirit that the 240Z brought to the market with a lightweight,stylish, responsive, and affordable Z then they would have trouble keeping up with demand. Just like the 240Z did in the 70's and the FRS/RBZ is doing now.
What would I want from a new Z? A straight 6 N/A or responsive turbo, lightweight chassis, driver focused interior with minimal distractions (I dont need a infotainment system, ipod dock, coffee maker, shoe buffer, whatever...), stiff but not bone jarring suspension, crisp 5 or 6 speed gearbox, an LSD and sane sized wheels and tires that I can buy replacements or upgrades without having to sell a kidney, and last but not least put this in minimally restyled s30 body. Do all this with straightforward engineering, while giving me the tools to make this car the way i want and ill be first in line at the dealership.
Whats most likely to happen? Variation of the VQ possibly with a turbo(s) bringing back the ZX moniker, smaller and slightly lighter chassis, double clutch gearbox with a small volume of manuals, full infotainment system with facebook, twitter, pandora connectivity so your friends know where you are going, how you feel about traffic and which lady gaga song you like!, 21 inch wheels and hi-pro all seasons, all of this under a restyled 370z body with hints of 240z.
While not all of that is bad its just not what a true 240Z remake should be.
Lastly I dont think it will be in the guise of a new silvia. Pricing 3 sports cars (new silvia, Z, GTR) would prove to be difficult without hurting sales of one or all of them. The FRS/86 works for toyota because they dont have any sporty offerings that would cannibalize each others sales without moving upmarket to Lexus.
personally i want the silvia reborn. i don't see any reason to start a new car model when they had one that was very successful. if an s16 came out i would deff consider selling my s13 for one.
Also if they do make an S16 hopefully they make it FR and inline four turbo, or straight 6 turbo.
personally i want the silvia reborn. i don't see any reason to start a new car model when they had one that was very successful. if an s16 came out i would deff consider selling my s13 for one.
Also if they do make an S16 hopefully they make it FR and inline four turbo, or straight 6 turbo.
reading people comments, seems like people want something like a s2000 fastback w a small inline 6. After having 3 s30's and a 350z as well as a plethora of cars, i concur that a lighter chassis w/ decent power would be awesome. As far as styling goes, chop the rear right behind the wheels and let that nose point. I would rather have them build another silvia though with an sr20det, there's just something about that motor that i've always loved.
reading people comments, seems like people want something like a s2000 fastback w a small inline 6. After having 3 s30's and a 350z as well as a plethora of cars, i concur that a lighter chassis w/ decent power would be awesome. As far as styling goes, chop the rear right behind the wheels and let that nose point. I would rather have them build another silvia though with an sr20det, there's just something about that motor that i've always loved.
Something similar in size to the BRZ but with a 3.0l NA V6 putting out about 280 bhp. That would be perfect.
Something similar in size to the BRZ but with a 3.0l NA V6 putting out about 280 bhp. That would be perfect.
left hand drive s16, sr20vet, done.
left hand drive s16, sr20vet, done.
simple smaller turboed 4 bangger 2 seater no electric windows no cruise control. Just motor and driver .
simple smaller turboed 4 bangger 2 seater no electric windows no cruise control. Just motor and driver .
you certainly won't see an I6 engine - show me a car that even uses one that is in production? Costs them too much to engineer and manufacture.
what should the next Z be? Lighter, with an efficient 6 cylinder, with styling remiscent of the S30. The car would sell in droves. A 350z did so well for a few key reasons: 1. it had been a while since there was a new Z 2. the car had a responsive an smooth V6 engine, in a stylish package, and it was affordable with multiple trim levels. Nowadays though, affordable means something different than it did in 2003. A BRZ/FRS is a very neat car, but its still too expensive IMHO it's a $20k car with a selling price that isn't quite justified.
I personally don't see there being room in the lineup for both a new Silvia and a new Z. Modern engines are certainly going the turbo route because of CAFE, except Nissan hasn't really jumped on this same wagon like the Euro's have. So perhaps a bored/stroked version of a Juke engine? But marketing wise, this would make it more a new Silvia than a new Z. A Z will not have a 4 cylinder engine IMHO, ever. I totally agree with the assesment someone else made that precident is there for the retro styling route.
you certainly won't see an I6 engine - show me a car that even uses one that is in production? Costs them too much to engineer and manufacture.
what should the next Z be? Lighter, with an efficient 6 cylinder, with styling remiscent of the S30. The car would sell in droves. A 350z did so well for a few key reasons: 1. it had been a while since there was a new Z 2. the car had a responsive an smooth V6 engine, in a stylish package, and it was affordable with multiple trim levels. Nowadays though, affordable means something different than it did in 2003. A BRZ/FRS is a very neat car, but its still too expensive IMHO it's a $20k car with a selling price that isn't quite justified.
I personally don't see there being room in the lineup for both a new Silvia and a new Z. Modern engines are certainly going the turbo route because of CAFE, except Nissan hasn't really jumped on this same wagon like the Euro's have. So perhaps a bored/stroked version of a Juke engine? But marketing wise, this would make it more a new Silvia than a new Z. A Z will not have a 4 cylinder engine IMHO, ever. I totally agree with the assesment someone else made that precident is there for the retro styling route.
Keep the Z similar to what it is now in the 370. Fiddle with the styling a bit, maybe stretch the bonnet to make it similar to the S30, keep the power close to where it is now. Put a twin turbo four cylinder, keeping power in the same range as the 370 while lowering consumption and emissions to keep inside all the regulations. Then have a a reborn 200SX sit below the Z. Make it either an NA or single turbo, based on the engine from the Z above it, this will help keep costs down. That's your S15 replacement. It has to be badged as an SX. So Maybe then you have a 240Z(X) and a 180SX? Keeps fans happy and it gives Nissan two solid sports cars in the range.
Keep the Z similar to what it is now in the 370. Fiddle with the styling a bit, maybe stretch the bonnet to make it similar to the S30, keep the power close to where it is now. Put a twin turbo four cylinder, keeping power in the same range as the 370 while lowering consumption and emissions to keep inside all the regulations. Then have a a reborn 200SX sit below the Z. Make it either an NA or single turbo, based on the engine from the Z above it, this will help keep costs down. That's your S15 replacement. It has to be badged as an SX. So Maybe then you have a 240Z(X) and a 180SX? Keeps fans happy and it gives Nissan two solid sports cars in the range.
Now if Nissan can rebirth the Silvia platform, in a lightweight chassis, with a turbo 4, and get it at the tru low 20 mark (let's say $23k MSRP), they will have absolute gold on their hands.
For the Z, the 370Z, as neat as it is, is a bit oddly proportioned, and the engine doesnt lend it self to much playing, due to the funky 'cams', but mainly just due to lack of sales. I don't think it was the unqualified success the 350Z was, but it also came out at the worst possible time. They've got a tough road to follow on the Z, as it was once a halo car for them. Hopefully it doesn't go more towards the GTR level
Now if Nissan can rebirth the Silvia platform, in a lightweight chassis, with a turbo 4, and get it at the tru low 20 mark (let's say $23k MSRP), they will have absolute gold on their hands.
For the Z, the 370Z, as neat as it is, is a bit oddly proportioned, and the engine doesnt lend it self to much playing, due to the funky 'cams', but mainly just due to lack of sales. I don't think it was the unqualified success the 350Z was, but it also came out at the worst possible time. They've got a tough road to follow on the Z, as it was once a halo car for them. Hopefully it doesn't go more towards the GTR level
Its unlikely they will use an sr20 of any kind if they make a new Silvia. Its just to old. They haven't used it since the Xtrail GT. They would most likely use a mr20de just like in the Renult Megane.
Its unlikely they will use an sr20 of any kind if they make a new Silvia. Its just to old. They haven't used it since the Xtrail GT. They would most likely use a mr20de just like in the Renult Megane.
BMW 335i turbo straight 6 http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/Vehicles/2013/3/335iSedan/default.aspx. I dont think its because of cost but more in terms of packaging. Easier to package a shorter V6 than a longer straight 6 in an engine bay.
BMW 335i turbo straight 6 http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/Vehicles/2013/3/335iSedan/default.aspx. I dont think its because of cost but more in terms of packaging. Easier to package a shorter V6 than a longer straight 6 in an engine bay.
@grandtouringis already long in the tooth by engineering standards. I dont expect it to be the same engine in the next gen. You're right on packaging as well
@grandtouringis already long in the tooth by engineering standards. I dont expect it to be the same engine in the next gen. You're right on packaging as well
@StephonFazalKhan Inline four turbo would be enough. Let room for RB26 upgrades
@StephonFazalKhan Inline four turbo would be enough. Let room for RB26 upgrades
Simpler. Lighter. Inline 6.
Simpler. Lighter. Inline 6.
The next gen Z will not have 'less' HP so it is either going to be an inline 6 TT or 4.0NA. I'd be happy with either one, I love my 2012 370z
The next gen Z will not have 'less' HP so it is either going to be an inline 6 TT or 4.0NA. I'd be happy with either one, I love my 2012 370z
Whether they go NA or TT, this time there will be direct injection...
Whether they go NA or TT, this time there will be direct injection...
they really need to downsize, the Z cant have a bigger engine than the R35. It really needs to compete with the GT86. Z is a more recognisable name than Silvia to the layperson too. Smaller Z FTW! But i net itll be 4cyl turbo..
they really need to downsize, the Z cant have a bigger engine than the R35. It really needs to compete with the GT86. Z is a more recognisable name than Silvia to the layperson too. Smaller Z FTW! But i net itll be 4cyl turbo..
I would imagine that if Nissan deems the North American market with a light weight sports car it will be powered by the current Juke engine family. I am a Nissan tech, and can speak from experience that the engine holds up to quite a bit of abuse. The VQ series engine has always had oil consumption issues which if left unchecked causes engine failures regularly. After having seen the Juke engine in the deltawing (a variant of the street engine) as well as chevrolet using the engine in their WTCC Cruze I think that we have a proven performance engine. I truly hope that we get another silvia, as I am not a fan of the Z.
I would imagine that if Nissan deems the North American market with a light weight sports car it will be powered by the current Juke engine family. I am a Nissan tech, and can speak from experience that the engine holds up to quite a bit of abuse. The VQ series engine has always had oil consumption issues which if left unchecked causes engine failures regularly. After having seen the Juke engine in the deltawing (a variant of the street engine) as well as chevrolet using the engine in their WTCC Cruze I think that we have a proven performance engine. I truly hope that we get another silvia, as I am not a fan of the Z.
I should restate, I am not a fan of the current Z. I like the looks, just do not enjoy driving them. The S30 was and always will be an awesome vehicle. It proved itself to millions winning races, and being a very competent street car.
I should restate, I am not a fan of the current Z. I like the looks, just do not enjoy driving them. The S30 was and always will be an awesome vehicle. It proved itself to millions winning races, and being a very competent street car.
retro styling.....if done properly. for me properly=Fiat 500 ....dislike=VW Beetle
retro styling.....if done properly. for me properly=Fiat 500 ....dislike=VW Beetle
I feel in life you should always progress- move fowrd not backwards.
For a manufacture to move an icon downmarket just doesnt look/feel right.
i think the answer to enthusiasts/bean counters/designers/engineers problem is taking a cue from Chrysler/Fiat:
Nissan should make the Z its own dedicated line
eg. use the Juke platform is to make a 4cyl 160z/180z/240z (bigger engine=more options=more$$) and compete with miata/brz/frs etc.
and use a suitable platform to keep the current Z a 2 seat + 2+2 GT. top of the line would be the 400Z! but this car would not encroach on the R35
but what do i know?
I feel in life you should always progress- move fowrd not backwards.
For a manufacture to move an icon downmarket just doesnt look/feel right.
i think the answer to enthusiasts/bean counters/designers/engineers problem is taking a cue from Chrysler/Fiat:
Nissan should make the Z its own dedicated line
eg. use the Juke platform is to make a 4cyl 160z/180z/240z (bigger engine=more options=more$$) and compete with miata/brz/frs etc.
and use a suitable platform to keep the current Z a 2 seat + 2+2 GT. top of the line would be the 400Z! but this car would not encroach on the R35
but what do i know?
the new Lancia Stratos also, it is modern but keeps the amazing lines and style of it's daddy.
the new Lancia Stratos also, it is modern but keeps the amazing lines and style of it's daddy.
I feel in life you should always progress- move fowrd not backwards.
For a manufacture to move an icon downmarket just doesnt look/feel right.
i think the answer to enthusiasts/bean counters/designers/engineers problem is taking a cue from Chrysler/Fiat:
Nissan should make the Z its own dedicated line
eg. use the Juke platform to make a 4cyl 160Z/180Z/240Z (bigger engine=more options=more$$) and compete with miata/brz/frs etc.
and use a suitable platform to keep the current Z a 2 seat + 2+2 GT. top of the line would be the 400Z! but this car would not encroach on the R35
but what do i know?
I feel in life you should always progress- move fowrd not backwards.
For a manufacture to move an icon downmarket just doesnt look/feel right.
i think the answer to enthusiasts/bean counters/designers/engineers problem is taking a cue from Chrysler/Fiat:
Nissan should make the Z its own dedicated line
eg. use the Juke platform to make a 4cyl 160Z/180Z/240Z (bigger engine=more options=more$$) and compete with miata/brz/frs etc.
and use a suitable platform to keep the current Z a 2 seat + 2+2 GT. top of the line would be the 400Z! but this car would not encroach on the R35
but what do i know?
Z35 following beauty shapes of S30Z with inline 6 as somekind of more hightech gran tourismo (perfect for wangan)
and
S16 as smaller, lighter, simpler as car which could compete with ft86/brz
Z35 following beauty shapes of S30Z with inline 6 as somekind of more hightech gran tourismo (perfect for wangan)
and
S16 as smaller, lighter, simpler as car which could compete with ft86/brz
@TAROconQueso https://lh3.ggpht.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SP_AgBr2X1I/AAAAAAABADQ/MyVlkcUnMcg/s400/Nissan-260Z-2%2B2-4.jpg. s30 2+2 .. was abit awkward imho
@TAROconQueso https://lh3.ggpht.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SP_AgBr2X1I/AAAAAAABADQ/MyVlkcUnMcg/s400/Nissan-260Z-2%2B2-4.jpg. s30 2+2 .. was abit awkward imho
@theycallmebatman That wasn't really an MR16DDT used in the deltawing. Custom billet aluminium block (I don't know about the heads), lots of lightweight parts etc. Custom billet aluminium (T6-6061) 4cyl blocks for SR20s go for around $8000 - $10000. That would just be for the engine block. In other words, the whole engine would cost a heap of money if it was the one like in the DeltaWing.
@theycallmebatman That wasn't really an MR16DDT used in the deltawing. Custom billet aluminium block (I don't know about the heads), lots of lightweight parts etc. Custom billet aluminium (T6-6061) 4cyl blocks for SR20s go for around $8000 - $10000. That would just be for the engine block. In other words, the whole engine would cost a heap of money if it was the one like in the DeltaWing.
I would agree with smaller, simpler and retro styled. I'd like something better to put on this shirt opposite the 240Z than a 370Z
http://gearheadshirts.com/products/129225-z-car-generations-shirt
I would agree with smaller, simpler and retro styled. I'd like something better to put on this shirt opposite the 240Z than a 370Z
http://gearheadshirts.com/products/129225-z-car-generations-shirt
@grandtouring New M3, new I6.http://www.autoblog.com/photos/bmw-m3-engine-spy-shots/#photo-5283443/
@grandtouring New M3, new I6.http://www.autoblog.com/photos/bmw-m3-engine-spy-shots/#photo-5283443/
s16 yo!
s16 yo!
Silvia reborn with a inline 6 turbo powerplant would be beautiful or a Fairlady style. A turbocharged VQ? the idea it's to get out of V6's and back to basics, inline 6 and 4 bangers.
Silvia reborn with a inline 6 turbo powerplant would be beautiful or a Fairlady style. A turbocharged VQ? the idea it's to get out of V6's and back to basics, inline 6 and 4 bangers.
Stretch the nose of the new Z34, and lower the rear trunk lid, and maybe turbo? But a little bit cheaper !!
Stretch the nose of the new Z34, and lower the rear trunk lid, and maybe turbo? But a little bit cheaper !!
@mervins that's something almost impossible to see with today's standards
@mervins that's something almost impossible to see with today's standards
I've thought for some time now that the newer Aston's look more like what a retro styled Z should should look like (back to the S30 body that is) - much more than the 350z or the "re-styled" version (the 370Z) that went more that direction. The DB9 has a strikingly similar rear side window and the same basic overall proportions - a long front end, short rear end, etc. The original Z was penned using the Jag XKE and the Porsche 911 as design inspiration, or so it is commonly said. Wouldn't it be a hoot to style the newest Z from the DB9 and the current 911?
Nissan should use the same recipe as last time. It was a good one and its time is right again. The car should be knock your socks off good looking (a la DB9) and inexpensive. High teens to low 20's (mid twenties if upon introduction, the market will bear it). The performance of the cars should be on par with those that cost twice (or almost twice) as much, and like the original s30, a large contributing factor to this should be keeping the weight down. Perhaps more extensive use of aluminum bits and pieces could be part of that equation - has the material and production cost efficiency arrived yet? I'll let the bean counters and the engineers crunch their numbers. But, in case anyone at Nissan doesn't know, most of the magic of the old S30's and why people just never seem "as connected" to the newer cars... well, it's the friggin weight. Make the car light. Period.
An inline 6 is an inherently heavier design than the V6. Nissan would certainly have much less cost ahead of them either utilizing one of the existing V6 powerplants or a building a new one compared to a next generation inline 6. Go with a V6 in the car. Don't bother with a 4. If that option is on the table, then please just resurrect the Sylvia or create an all new car, but don't put it in a Z. The sound of the Z is a big deal. 4 bangers are just not acceptable for a retro styled Z.
Speaking of the power, it needs to be moderate. 240 hp territory or better with nice torque. If it's me, I'd make more of the same engines that are already on the shelf and try to bring down production costs through increasing volume. These units are already at what 270 HP, or more? We don't need an all new motor in the Z. And don't bother with maxing out the HP in a showroom floor version and moving the price point up. Wisely, Mazda has followed this recipe with the Miata for over 20 years.
And the final thing I'll comment on is that the the drivetrain should be very durable. There should be enough room in the platform to allow those folks who want to customize it to add some bolt ons to increase power. Custom tuning will probably never again be what it was in the past, but the price point brings young buyers and by default, more of them are more interested in making a few mods than old guys like me.
I've thought for some time now that the newer Aston's look more like what a retro styled Z should should look like (back to the S30 body that is) - much more than the 350z or the "re-styled" version (the 370Z) that went more that direction. The DB9 has a strikingly similar rear side window and the same basic overall proportions - a long front end, short rear end, etc. The original Z was penned using the Jag XKE and the Porsche 911 as design inspiration, or so it is commonly said. Wouldn't it be a hoot to style the newest Z from the DB9 and the current 911?
Nissan should use the same recipe as last time. It was a good one and its time is right again. The car should be knock your socks off good looking (a la DB9) and inexpensive. High teens to low 20's (mid twenties if upon introduction, the market will bear it). The performance of the cars should be on par with those that cost twice (or almost twice) as much, and like the original s30, a large contributing factor to this should be keeping the weight down. Perhaps more extensive use of aluminum bits and pieces could be part of that equation - has the material and production cost efficiency arrived yet? I'll let the bean counters and the engineers crunch their numbers. But, in case anyone at Nissan doesn't know, most of the magic of the old S30's and why people just never seem "as connected" to the newer cars... well, it's the friggin weight. Make the car light. Period.
An inline 6 is an inherently heavier design than the V6. Nissan would certainly have much less cost ahead of them either utilizing one of the existing V6 powerplants or a building a new one compared to a next generation inline 6. Go with a V6 in the car. Don't bother with a 4. If that option is on the table, then please just resurrect the Sylvia or create an all new car, but don't put it in a Z. The sound of the Z is a big deal. 4 bangers are just not acceptable for a retro styled Z.
Speaking of the power, it needs to be moderate. 240 hp territory or better with nice torque. If it's me, I'd make more of the same engines that are already on the shelf and try to bring down production costs through increasing volume. These units are already at what 270 HP, or more? We don't need an all new motor in the Z. And don't bother with maxing out the HP in a showroom floor version and moving the price point up. Wisely, Mazda has followed this recipe with the Miata for over 20 years.
And the final thing I'll comment on is that the the drivetrain should be very durable. There should be enough room in the platform to allow those folks who want to customize it to add some bolt ons to increase power. Custom tuning will probably never again be what it was in the past, but the price point brings young buyers and by default, more of them are more interested in making a few mods than old guys like me.
maybe the could have the new z styled a lot like the original a lot like ford did with the mustang dodge with the camera and so forth but make this the 80th anniversary nissan twin turbo edition with a lot of drift styling and design in mind as i feel as if this platform has become very drift oriented. who knows maybe nissan could design the ultimate drift machine that blows even there s chassis out of the water, and i think like diego the straight six turbo platform can totally do the job.
maybe the could have the new z styled a lot like the original a lot like ford did with the mustang dodge with the camera and so forth but make this the 80th anniversary nissan twin turbo edition with a lot of drift styling and design in mind as i feel as if this platform has become very drift oriented. who knows maybe nissan could design the ultimate drift machine that blows even there s chassis out of the water, and i think like diego the straight six turbo platform can totally do the job.
s15+1= s16
s15+1= s16
-Twin Turbo V6.
-lightweight but not a miata. (Z cars are a little bit bigger)
-Share components with the R35 (like how the R32 used similar components to the Z32; R32:Z32 as R35:Z35)
-Be fun to drive nd it turns heads
-T tops, cant forget the t tops
-Twin Turbo V6.
-lightweight but not a miata. (Z cars are a little bit bigger)
-Share components with the R35 (like how the R32 used similar components to the Z32; R32:Z32 as R35:Z35)
-Be fun to drive nd it turns heads
-T tops, cant forget the t tops
The Silvia vs Z debate is interesting. Like most models the Z has grown over time to be a bigger and more complex car. When that happens it leaves a space in the lineup for a car that mimics the original model. In the case of the Z it grew into the 300zx which left space for the Silvia, a small light rear wheel drive coupe/hatch which, despite being a four cylinder, was much more in line with the philosophy of the S30 than the Z31/32 was. Whether the car is badged as a Silvia or a Z is somewhat irrelevant because at their foundation the philosophy is the same. That said there is considerable history with both badges: Silvia is synonymous with four cylinder turbo as Z is synonymous with six cylinder NA and it would be almost sacrilegious to mess with that. Toyota/Subaru have created something new and exciting and yet back to basics with the FT86/BRZ and it would be great to see Nissan achieve something similar with a new model. It's a chance than had when designing the Z33 but they chose to continue the big engined theme and consequently a medium sized car. My preference is for it to be badged as a Z, with a small light-weight power-plant (four cylinder or six cylinder, I'll leave it to the Nissan engineers to figure out how best to achieve engine performance aims) and styling cues from the S30. Would that make it a Silvia or a Z? I'm not sure and it really doesn't that matter that much to me just as it doesn't worry me that the FT86 is a spiritual successor to the AE86 yet uses a Subaru flat 4 because in the end its true to the philosophy, a philosophy that I as a Speedhunter love.
The Silvia vs Z debate is interesting. Like most models the Z has grown over time to be a bigger and more complex car. When that happens it leaves a space in the lineup for a car that mimics the original model. In the case of the Z it grew into the 300zx which left space for the Silvia, a small light rear wheel drive coupe/hatch which, despite being a four cylinder, was much more in line with the philosophy of the S30 than the Z31/32 was. Whether the car is badged as a Silvia or a Z is somewhat irrelevant because at their foundation the philosophy is the same. That said there is considerable history with both badges: Silvia is synonymous with four cylinder turbo as Z is synonymous with six cylinder NA and it would be almost sacrilegious to mess with that. Toyota/Subaru have created something new and exciting and yet back to basics with the FT86/BRZ and it would be great to see Nissan achieve something similar with a new model. It's a chance than had when designing the Z33 but they chose to continue the big engined theme and consequently a medium sized car. My preference is for it to be badged as a Z, with a small light-weight power-plant (four cylinder or six cylinder, I'll leave it to the Nissan engineers to figure out how best to achieve engine performance aims) and styling cues from the S30. Would that make it a Silvia or a Z? I'm not sure and it really doesn't that matter that much to me just as it doesn't worry me that the FT86 is a spiritual successor to the AE86 yet uses a Subaru flat 4 because in the end its true to the philosophy, a philosophy that I as a Speedhunter love.
Retro Styling for the new Z, then reintroduce the S chassis to compete with the '86/BRZ.
Retro Styling for the new Z, then reintroduce the S chassis to compete with the '86/BRZ.
I have a feeling most people on here, including me, are more inclined to buy something older (or simply used) and dump money into it. Let it be drifting, hot rod, sweet import, or whatever but most wont go buying a brand new car. We dont even get the S15. Why would anyone want an S16 that is not going to be anything like what what we never got? Rhetorical, I know, but still...
I have a feeling most people on here, including me, are more inclined to buy something older (or simply used) and dump money into it. Let it be drifting, hot rod, sweet import, or whatever but most wont go buying a brand new car. We dont even get the S15. Why would anyone want an S16 that is not going to be anything like what what we never got? Rhetorical, I know, but still...
NA IL6, RWD coupe with a short ass and long hood. None of this turbo nonsense.
NA IL6, RWD coupe with a short ass and long hood. None of this turbo nonsense.
retor z definitely and a new s chassis would be amazing
retor z definitely and a new s chassis would be amazing
Back to the roots classic retro styling. Small to medium chassis. 2l turbo. RWD and affordable! Can't go wrong
Back to the roots classic retro styling. Small to medium chassis. 2l turbo. RWD and affordable! Can't go wrong
Same wheel base and track as the S30 Z with modern running gear and retro styling. No driving aids also.
Same wheel base and track as the S30 Z with modern running gear and retro styling. No driving aids also.
i think something light weight, (obviously rear wheel drive)with a tuned version of the MR16DDT could be both competitive, quick and in the same price as well as fun range as an FRS or BRZ . bump up the displacement and create a modern version of the 180. in my humble opinion, the most important factor is creating an affordable great looking- rear wheel drive car that is fun to drive and a stimulant to large quality aftermarket parts.
i think something light weight, (obviously rear wheel drive)with a tuned version of the MR16DDT could be both competitive, quick and in the same price as well as fun range as an FRS or BRZ . bump up the displacement and create a modern version of the 180. in my humble opinion, the most important factor is creating an affordable great looking- rear wheel drive car that is fun to drive and a stimulant to large quality aftermarket parts.
*large quantity of quality aftermarket parts
*large quantity of quality aftermarket parts
Simply Re-Make the L-Series carb'd and all, as for the body give it that 240Z look Longer nose with a smaller rear hatch almost like the BMW M-Coupe just more of a fast back
Simply Re-Make the L-Series carb'd and all, as for the body give it that 240Z look Longer nose with a smaller rear hatch almost like the BMW M-Coupe just more of a fast back
@Ima firin mah laser @theycallmebatman they wouldn't need an aluminium block or halfthelightweight parts from the delta wing. The 1.6DigT engine in the dukes already proven at 200bhp and leaves room for tuning, that old put it right in the mix with the little Toybaru. Personally I think that's the perfect miove. I know I'd be interested, I'm already eying up a Toybaru as my next car from my Clio RS197, but it'll be 2014 before I have the funds (perfect
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@Ima firin mah laser @theycallmebatman they wouldn't need an aluminium block or halfthelightweight parts from the delta wing. The 1.6DigT engine in the dukes already proven at 200bhp and leaves room for tuning, that old put it right in the mix with the little Toybaru. Personally I think that's the perfect miove. I know I'd be interested, I'm already eying up a Toybaru as my next car from my Clio RS197, but it'll be 2014 before I have the funds (perfect
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I reckon they should take note of what honda did with the EV-N concept only apply it to an S30.
It would be cool if they had a limited edition with a VR38DETT .... going along the same lines as the Fairlady Z432 having a GT-R engine.
Mind you seeing it hybrid or electric would also be a step forward.
I reckon they should take note of what honda did with the EV-N concept only apply it to an S30.
It would be cool if they had a limited edition with a VR38DETT .... going along the same lines as the Fairlady Z432 having a GT-R engine.
Mind you seeing it hybrid or electric would also be a step forward.
just a simple 2 litre l6 engine no tubo`s no fancy bits just the basics and a sleek styling that draws from the s30 series that will allow people to design aftermarket parts easyly.
or a bigger gt coupe, a modern interpertation of the z32`s styling and nissan gtr driveline
just a simple 2 litre l6 engine no tubo`s no fancy bits just the basics and a sleek styling that draws from the s30 series that will allow people to design aftermarket parts easyly.
or a bigger gt coupe, a modern interpertation of the z32`s styling and nissan gtr driveline
240Z Reborn, styling cues from the original datsun 240Z with rounded rear and round headlights, rear wheel drive 2+2 coupe with either 1.8 Turbo from Juke engine or totally revised 2.0 turbo that puts out 240hp and 240 torque~ Price slightly lower or on par to BRZ/FT-86
240Z Reborn, styling cues from the original datsun 240Z with rounded rear and round headlights, rear wheel drive 2+2 coupe with either 1.8 Turbo from Juke engine or totally revised 2.0 turbo that puts out 240hp and 240 torque~ Price slightly lower or on par to BRZ/FT-86
I want Nissan to build a car similar to the original S30Z and S13 Silvia. What they choose to call it does not matter. I think logically they ought to leave the Z as the larger performance car and a competitor to the Mustang, Camaro and Genesis coupe, and introduce a smaller car under the Silvia name.
I want Nissan to build a car similar to the original S30Z and S13 Silvia. What they choose to call it does not matter. I think logically they ought to leave the Z as the larger performance car and a competitor to the Mustang, Camaro and Genesis coupe, and introduce a smaller car under the Silvia name.
Offer it with a hopped-up Juke engine making around 200bhp and it could be a real winner.
Offer it with a hopped-up Juke engine making around 200bhp and it could be a real winner.
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I'm split I love the S30 (been actively hunting for one for a long time) But also the Silvia is amazing. I really hope the make both. Keep the Silvia a 4 and the S30 a 6
I'm split I love the S30 (been actively hunting for one for a long time) But also the Silvia is amazing. I really hope the make both. Keep the Silvia a 4 and the S30 a 6
It's not possible to sell a "fast" car these days, for less than $30k. people complain about the BR-Z being slow, because it was sold without an intercooled turbo. If they sell a turbo BR-Z, it will be $35k+ They can't sell a "slow Z". wouldn't work. They have to sell a silvia, NA, and rely on the aftermarket to make it quicker.
It's not possible to sell a "fast" car these days, for less than $30k. people complain about the BR-Z being slow, because it was sold without an intercooled turbo. If they sell a turbo BR-Z, it will be $35k+ They can't sell a "slow Z". wouldn't work. They have to sell a silvia, NA, and rely on the aftermarket to make it quicker.
The z needs a 6 cylinder. What you guys are asking is like saying "let's make a cheap v6 corvette" It's a nice thought, but the z car is supposed to be a big engined gt car.
The z needs a 6 cylinder. What you guys are asking is like saying "let's make a cheap v6 corvette" It's a nice thought, but the z car is supposed to be a big engined gt car.
The Z series should remain the larger more expensive cars. They should make an S16, rear wheel drive of course, 6 speed manual, with maybe a modern SR20 with direct injection and a small, quick spooling turbo, giving the car more power at lower RPM, something that i think the GT86 lacks. the turbo as standard would also make people consider this new 'S' chassis over the GT86/BRZ. I don't think Nissan should try to style their new car of the old one's, to me the old Z's look great and they shouldn't try to make modern interpretations.
The Z series should remain the larger more expensive cars. They should make an S16, rear wheel drive of course, 6 speed manual, with maybe a modern SR20 with direct injection and a small, quick spooling turbo, giving the car more power at lower RPM, something that i think the GT86 lacks. the turbo as standard would also make people consider this new 'S' chassis over the GT86/BRZ. I don't think Nissan should try to style their new car of the old one's, to me the old Z's look great and they shouldn't try to make modern interpretations.
I think it could look like the Lyonheart K from Zolland design, but more 240ish. Check it out and see.
I think it could look like the Lyonheart K from Zolland design, but more 240ish. Check it out and see.
Agree with you in concept, but the only car that stood true to the original Z roots was, frankly, the original
Each successive model got heavier, more GT like (2+2 variants and such), and considerably more expensive, and ultimately less 'pure'. But, the public ate it up because they were able to offer a car that had a superior driving experience to anything American, and a similar experience to anything European, for still less money.
An original 240Z came in around 2300 lbs but was still a big car. But let's also not forget, that from a 240Z to a 280ZX, the sheetmetal was horrid, the interior materials were doo doo, the floorboards were paper thin. But, it was the 70s, and frankly, nothing was really well made during this time lol. But the car was successful from a sales standpoint, a brand standpoint (it made the brand outside of Japan), and the public still loved it, because shortcominigs aside, it had a wonderful, reliable drivetrain. Having owned these cars over the years, and then a 350Z, I think Nissan nailed the original concept with a 350Z. A very capable drivetrain, in a sleek body that has aged quite well. It's biggest fault, from an owner/enthusiast standpoint, was it was too heavy. But, that comes with the territory now and the increased safetry requirements, etc. Overall, it's a very rigid car, terrific chassis, well built, yet easy to work on (from a modern car standpoint). I hope they don't return nto the 2+2 side of things, and leave it as a 2 seater
Everyone is using the Toyo-baru as the benchmark because it's the first truly 'new' enthusiast car in a long time at this price point. It's been about 10 years since the US market got anything that was so interesting. But, is it really selling all that well? I am still of the opinion that the biggest hurdle many cars like the 370Z, Toyo-baru, and others face is the economy. I jdon;t think the market needs or will support in big #'s another $30k sporty car to compete vs the BRZ. I think it will take a car that can be had out the door for mid $20's to really re-spark the enthusiast movement.
I think what Nissan is asking themselves right now, is who is their market for the Silvia/Z redux? What is the demographic now? And can this demo not only crave what Nissan builds next, but can they afford it? I don't know the economies of scale behnd the BRZ/FRS, but my guess is that a major reason why it got the green light is because it's a shared platform.
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Agree with you in concept, but the only car that stood true to the original Z roots was, frankly, the original
Each successive model got heavier, more GT like (2+2 variants and such), and considerably more expensive, and ultimately less 'pure'. But, the public ate it up because they were able to offer a car that had a superior driving experience to anything American, and a similar experience to anything European, for still less money.
An original 240Z came in around 2300 lbs but was still a big car. But let's also not forget, that from a 240Z to a 280ZX, the sheetmetal was horrid, the interior materials were doo doo, the floorboards were paper thin. But, it was the 70s, and frankly, nothing was really well made during this time lol. But the car was successful from a sales standpoint, a brand standpoint (it made the brand outside of Japan), and the public still loved it, because shortcominigs aside, it had a wonderful, reliable drivetrain. Having owned these cars over the years, and then a 350Z, I think Nissan nailed the original concept with a 350Z. A very capable drivetrain, in a sleek body that has aged quite well. It's biggest fault, from an owner/enthusiast standpoint, was it was too heavy. But, that comes with the territory now and the increased safetry requirements, etc. Overall, it's a very rigid car, terrific chassis, well built, yet easy to work on (from a modern car standpoint). I hope they don't return nto the 2+2 side of things, and leave it as a 2 seater
Everyone is using the Toyo-baru as the benchmark because it's the first truly 'new' enthusiast car in a long time at this price point. It's been about 10 years since the US market got anything that was so interesting. But, is it really selling all that well? I am still of the opinion that the biggest hurdle many cars like the 370Z, Toyo-baru, and others face is the economy. I jdon;t think the market needs or will support in big #'s another $30k sporty car to compete vs the BRZ. I think it will take a car that can be had out the door for mid $20's to really re-spark the enthusiast movement.
I think what Nissan is asking themselves right now, is who is their market for the Silvia/Z redux? What is the demographic now? And can this demo not only crave what Nissan builds next, but can they afford it? I don't know the economies of scale behnd the BRZ/FRS, but my guess is that a major reason why it got the green light is because it's a shared platform.
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replying to my own reply the more I think about, the more excited I am about Nissan seriously explote a Silvia restart - a bumped up Juke engine, RWD, with an options package that ranges from stripped out and minimal, to individual options that let you take a car to done up (sat-nav, leather, HID, etc). Try something different, don't give us option packages, give us an option sheet (though I dont know how this would fit into a modern production schedule arrangement). But this way, we are paying for options we want, and letting NISMO, or someone else's wizardry, to improve the rest.
replying to my own reply the more I think about, the more excited I am about Nissan seriously explote a Silvia restart - a bumped up Juke engine, RWD, with an options package that ranges from stripped out and minimal, to individual options that let you take a car to done up (sat-nav, leather, HID, etc). Try something different, don't give us option packages, give us an option sheet (though I dont know how this would fit into a modern production schedule arrangement). But this way, we are paying for options we want, and letting NISMO, or someone else's wizardry, to improve the rest.
interesting point on the Aston - they really do take the whole long nose/sloped rear concept to it's zenith. Without question some of the most beautifully designed, artfully proportioned cars on the road today
interesting point on the Aston - they really do take the whole long nose/sloped rear concept to it's zenith. Without question some of the most beautifully designed, artfully proportioned cars on the road today
They are a car company they will look at two cars in the new Z's creation, the previous S30, and the FT86. They want to make a intro low budget sports car because they don't have one right now. They are losing out on the potential sale there. It'll probably need to seat 4 to compete with the Toyota as well.
What I would like to see in the new Z is naturally aspirated, low on the weight, keep the long bonnet and move the engine back. They can't go as low as a Toyota placement wise due to that boxer engine, but I bet they can center the weight just as well. Just a beefed up motor that can take abuse like nothing. 6 speed which is pretty much given most days.
They are a car company they will look at two cars in the new Z's creation, the previous S30, and the FT86. They want to make a intro low budget sports car because they don't have one right now. They are losing out on the potential sale there. It'll probably need to seat 4 to compete with the Toyota as well.
What I would like to see in the new Z is naturally aspirated, low on the weight, keep the long bonnet and move the engine back. They can't go as low as a Toyota placement wise due to that boxer engine, but I bet they can center the weight just as well. Just a beefed up motor that can take abuse like nothing. 6 speed which is pretty much given most days.
new silvia.
new silvia.
Leave the current z as is, and introduce new silvia
Leave the current z as is, and introduce new silvia
Unfortunately the MR16 is a really lightly built, highly stressed engine even in the stock Juke application. That being said, this is exactly the idea I'd like to see.
Unfortunately the MR16 is a really lightly built, highly stressed engine even in the stock Juke application. That being said, this is exactly the idea I'd like to see.
IMO we need an S16
IMO we need an S16
A new S13 styled S16 ;D
A new S13 styled S16 ;D
I'd like a new Silvia...but lacking that...a retro styled Z
I'd like a new Silvia...but lacking that...a retro styled Z
I'd like a new Silvia...but lacking that...a retro styled Z
Carb'd? Their is no way they would do that with today's technology. Direct injection is much more efficient.
Carb'd? Their is no way they would do that with today's technology. Direct injection is much more efficient.
Carb'd? Their is no way they would do that with today's technology. Direct injection is much more efficient.
yeah on that leno episode the new lines on the Z def bring that old traditional styling which i do enjoy...maybe increase Z price range slightly and offer cheaper/smaller silvia??
Retro styled Z. I like the direction of the one showed in the video at the top of the "Z timeline", (above the 370z). The style they were going for looked very nice. The Z is more of the sports concept of nissan and a "smaller, simplerl" version IS the Silvia in a way, in my opinion that is. On top of that, im sure America wont be getting any "new Silvia", but the Z...most likely.
i want somethinke the s30 and i also want a new silvia to keep it up with the toyobaru
I would prefer a new BMW
i doubt that they could pull off a good silvia again. i think a simple, clean, z, with a nice turbo would be perfect.
Small, N/A, S30 styled please...
Unfortunately with today's strict build requirements, all cars have to have abs and traction control. Having said that, they should include an off button for those. The new viper, for example, you can shut off the traction control completely. I agree though, they need something with smaller displacement, lighter weight. Priced close to the BRZ/FR-S/GT86 triplets.
I would love to see something with some S30 influence in it! The amount I love that car haha I don't think a new rendition of the Silvia would sell as well.
I would love to see something with S30 influence in it!
I don't think a new rendition of the Silvia would sell as well.
i see, well bummer on the MR16 angle. as for the overall philosophy, hopefully nissan thinks in that direction too. thanks for the info
i see, well bummer on the MR16 angle. as for the overall philosophy, hopefully nissan thinks in that direction too. thanks for the info
i see, well bummer on the MR16 angle. as for the overall philosophy, hopefully nissan thinks in that direction too. thanks for the info
Something fun n affordable... that's all...
Something fun n affordable... that's all...
Something fun n affordable... that's all...
New Silvia. About time car manufacturers started to care about the people that live and breathe their cars. Sure Z is an icon, but its not or ever was as versatile as the Silvia.
New Silvia. About time car manufacturers started to care about the people that live and breathe their cars. Sure Z is an icon, but its not or ever was as versatile as the Silvia.
New Silvia. About time car manufacturers started to care about the people that live and breathe their cars. Sure Z is an icon, but its not or ever was as versatile as the Silvia.
Definetly Retro Styling inpired by the s30
Definetly Retro Styling inpired by the s30
Definetly Retro Styling inpired by the s30
A new silvia pleasse!!!
new silvia!!!!!!
both !
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Let me bring up some points here.
- Both 350z and 370z have been inspired by S30 already.
- Fairlady Z never come in 4 cylinder only inline 6 or v6.
I do not see how they can make Fairlady Z any cheaper if they are going to maintain 300hp 6cylinder. I do not think Nissan will downgrade the Z to compete with the new 86.
200 hp 4 cylinder sound like a Silvia to me.
I think, that the new Z should be more like the GT86. It should be lightweight, as simple as possible drivers car, that has rear wheel drive, stick shift and LSD
HELLO SPEEDHINTERS !!my opinion like a huge car lover that i am ,if nissan decide to make a good entry again and run with the competitors like toyota and subaru new cars i think they have to build something different ,not something entirely new but a modern version of the s 30 something close to this
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( http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Datsun_240Z_Concept_front.jpg )
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a modern engined 4 or 6 cylinders , 1.6 1.8 2.0 litre turbo or supercharged , in my opinion its not bad to follow the path that ford made with the GT and the mustang and other cars companies ,the plan worked well for them to reborn some legend models ,why not for nissan ? and if im right s30 its a japanese legend ,well if decide decide to make a new s chasie "silvia " it will be nice but not mind blowing like a new fairlady s 30 i think that the lovers of those cars (silvias)are still big and they don't need quiat yet a new Silvia .. they have three generations of it to "play" with, escuse me for my bad english !!
Big love for ya all from Greece, car lovers and anthusiasts here on speedhunters !!!!!
And please Nissan don't skip Greece this time with this new model s30 if you eventualy build it
Hi
I relly love the Iacoski’s Datsun Fairlady Z Concept old Datsun line with modern light and wheel look so great
http://100percentcar.com/?p=744#more-744
Continue the evolution, none of this super-retro nonsense, the 370Z is a beautiful car, just simplify it, make it lighter, and more of a drivers car.
Continue the evolution, none of this super-retro nonsense, the 370Z is a beautiful car, just simplify it, make it lighter, and more of a drivers car.
Continue the evolution, none of this super-retro nonsense, the 370Z is a beautiful car, just simplify it, make it lighter, and more of a drivers car.
Hot six that revs and makes okay power, make it smaller, less weight in the body, more feedback from the steering, brakes etc, all that crap. Not the couch on steroids that they make at the moment.
NEW SILVIA PLEEEEAAAAASE!!!!! hop on the brz market.
smaller simpler sports car with a snail.
@apex_DNA hmm... you might want to be careful on that claim. The Z has competed and won in all kinds of racing, from rally to land speed, IMSA to superGT, even Le Mans. Virtually every type of racing had some version of the Z competing. Now if you are talking about driving down to the market versatility, i might have to concede that claim though im sure there are plenty people comfortable with everyday grocery getting with a Z.
silvia s16 plzz!!!!
@grandtouring No other Nissan, or Japanese car for that matter, enjoys a better afterarket support than the S-chassis. And it's got both profession racing and street credibility to back it up. From zero-yon to time attack, it's done it all. It's almost like comparing Camaro to a Corvette.
@grandtouring No other Nissan, or Japanese car for that matter, enjoys a better aftermarket support than the S-chassis. And it's got both professional racing and street credibility to back it up. From zero-yon to time attack, it's done it all. It's almost like comparing Camaro to a Corvette.
@apex_DNA @grandtouring Hondas may still have them beat in terms of after market support though the s chassis has come a long way. While the silvia has proven to be a very competitive platform, in terms of outright wins, trophies and championships i would still argue that the Z has done more for Nissan and the motorsports world than the silvia, especially in america since without it we wouldnt even have cars like the silvia. Also which cars do you place in your corvette/camaro comparison? Oh and i believe the fastest rwd drag(zero-yon) car is a VQ powered 350z down in Australia. Though I have yet to see a Z high level time attact.
@apex_DNA sorry meant fastest rwd import*
Well the Z isn't a Silvia or in the same family as the S13-S15's that are sooo popular, also haven driven a low mileage 72 240z that was stock, they were decently quick for it's time, i would like to see it evolve the current model of i'm not mistaken is actually smaller and lighter already so nissan is on the right path, but i want to see competion for the FR-S so a 2+2 seperate model with maybe the same small v6 is the G25 is due.
If Nissan wants to compete with the 86/BRZ than it's going to need some help and ingenuity. What I want to see is a Nissan/Honda Collaboration!! Nissan body/styling/chassis with Honda high revving inline 4 engine!! RWD!! LIGHTWEIGHT!! COUPE!! Badge as S16 or Z!! Who cares? Just make something great dammit!!
@cho Honda and Nissan?! NO. Maybe a Honda and McLaren or MG Rover or somebody they have working with in the past, like Isuzu, but not definitely not Nissan. They're sworn enemies.
@ninjapirate2 Eh, I think the front of it looks like a bulldog. Not the greatest front in my opinion..
keep the z as is and re work with the years to come, but dont touch the z line up by re releasing.
> a variant of the s chassis would be best IMO, maybe an SR20 VARIANT,, 2.0-2.4 litre turbo , direct injection, or
a 2.5 n/a , maybe a new larger displacement engine as KA24..or QR25, of course a way better version. a 6 speed & make as nimble as s13, ,, dont offer the navi crap, sound system, no leather, just a simple interior offer 4 seats but the rear to be easily removable if you wanted. of course RWD, LSD, IRS .. boom .. / maybe offer the vehicle in limited production to see how it sells.. ? ,, just my opinion .. just keep the SX badging.. 200sx, 240sx, .. etc..
re make the 240Z, aim for similar size a weight when compared to the new 86, priced around 30% higher,
fit it with an all alloy direct injected N/A 2.4lt straight six with a tuned length exhaust manifold from the factory, don't need 300hp+ if weight is kept somewhat low even around 250hp would be heaps, i'd see this as a car more for the driving experience then for outright pace and that's why it needs a straight six and tuned exhaust to give the appropriate soundtrack!
This might get lost in the shuffle, but here are my thoughts...do what Nissan did in the 90's...Next Gen Z can carry the high performance advanced technology sub GTR formula in the $33k-$50k range as a ZX, drop the weight, add some power, improve fit-finish, make it a tack ready GT car with a loaded interior (ala Corvette). Then introduce a new chassis to carry the $24k-$31k range, 4-cylinder, direct injected turbo mill with 250-hp (seems about standard minimum nowadays for a turbo-4), rwd with 6spd and torsen LSD obviously (the rev-match trans would be a nice touch to the segment too), 2+2 config with an eye on aftermarket and track appearance (ala BRZ/FRS) and call it an SX. I like the idea everyone has about the individually picked options, but that pretty much requires every car to be custom ordered which I doubt is profit friendly. Still they could offer 3-4 trim options that cover a nice mix of trimmed down to trimmed up with a nice middle road. The next Z (ZX) needs to be sub 3k-lbs or high 29xx-lbs while the next S(SX) needs to hit the 26xx-27xx-lb range.
The only thing they need to be careful with on the next Z is watching out for the Genesis coupe and the next mustang. Expect the next Mustang to be a real game changer in this market whether you like it or not. It will have a good euro flare to it (inside and out), with a newly developed chassis, multiple performance engine options and it will cover a $24k-$65k market. I would expect the next Mustang GT performance to build from the current Boss-302 values and the V6 mustang to build off the current GT performance. Certainly there are some interesting times ahead in this market.
@ninjapirate2
The 'new' Zs are actually a horrible warping of a great classic car. They weight as much as a boat, and are horribly under-powered. They are huge compared to the small stature of the classic Z, and the nose is way snubbed in comparison to the long elegance of the classic Z series. Nissan really fucked up with the re-release of the Z line, so let them fuck up the S chassis now.
http://mrbadman.deviantart.com/art/Nissan-Silvia-Concept-37924787
this is what they should make. silvia/skyline/z32
I'd much rather have a Nissan engine, mostly because they actually have torque.
@Driftstudent THIS!!! The first thing I thought of when I saw this article, but you beat me to it. I hope someone from Nissan has seen that thing before, because I dont think you could a better job of a modernized remake. Theres a reason people still drool over the 240z, lets take it back to the roots.