I don't like the driving character of the Subaru 2.5 boxer motor. Lots of lag, and difficult to drive in town gently. Very fast, but in a small light sports car I rather have a motor that's more tractable. Straight 4, or V6 with a high horsepower bias over torque. 6 speed manual.

It's going to be beast overall...

i will never buy a scion ther for girls or gay guys who think they r fast. i plan on buying one(a real ft86) wen they come out.if they r made buy scion i can tell u that they just lost one sell

This is so wack!! I dont like Toyota, but I really hate Scion! This would have been a more respectable car had it been branded as a Toyota!!

Toyota has effectively F'ed things up again. What could have been the company's return to making 2 door sports cars has now turned into just another money making scheme. And to think that the same company produced wonders like the AE86, Celica, and Supra...



I hope Toyota finally decides not to even put this into production. It's a good car but compared to the coupes that it will have to go up against (like the Nissan 370z) it is nothing more than mediocre. The styling suggests that it is the (heavily) watered down version of the Lexus LFA, with much less power and quite unimpressive body lines.



Toyota needs to go back to the drawing board and rekindle the Supra platform or come up with something completely new and better than...this.

Not branding this as a Toyota is 100% FAIL.

Seriously.....don't call it a Supra (let that marque rest), but DO call it a TOYOTA ________????



FTS sux as a name as well but at least make it Toyota FT-S



then come out with a TRD version of it!

Been following the FT-86 on and off. This is a huge let down. Please Toyota label it a Toyota!

NOOO Scion! I don't care what they call the car I just want it produced already. I hate the whole scion movement with toyota. What happened to Toyota? Is this car not beige enough for you i suppose so you pass it off to scion. Too sporty to be a Toyota i guess seeing they're real performance cars died off years and years ago now. I hate scion theyre whole marketing campaign of being "unique" and classifying the tc as a sports car? Give me a break! If I ever bought this car it would be the Subaru version because thats what it basically is if it has a Subaru engine & drive train then truly it is a pretty much Subaru wearing a different badge.

ugh. this car keeps getting worse with every article i read. just to echo some of the previous comments... the Scion badge completely kills any chance of me EVER considering this car. which is saying something, because i'll be graduating college around the time it hits dealerships... also, this article says "the FT-S will be powered by a 2.5 liter engine instead of 2.0" but mentions no turbo...? will it or will it not come boosted? i keep hearing things both ways. either way though, moot point if they badge it a Scion.

It just proves how completely out of touch the bigwigs are.



After years of everybody bashing on their blandness, they finally have a car made to be the spiritual successor to the most beloved Toyota ever -- and they badge it as a Scion!?!?? Hahaha. Any 10 year old kid could manage Toyota better than those overpaid idiots.



Well it's better for us though. Nobody's going to drop $30k for a scion. They could've easily asked that much for a Toyota FT86.

yeah when i found out that it was to be badge a scion i almost put my fist through a wall...and now that i found out it was gonna be powered by a bigger engine pisses me off even more....i love toyota but they lost me....

i have a scion myself.

and i dont think toyota should market this as a scion carry on the ae86 pls toyota do me that 1 favor

great!!



I was expecting to see one of these participate in Formula D next year!

They should just make it the Toyota FT-86. Toyota needs a sports car! Stupid Scion would just ruin this car. People would constantly be saying, "Nice tC." I'd constantly be correcting them, "It's a Toyota FT-86 Dammit!"

NOOOOOO! why does the toyota name have to be tied to flowers and saving the planet safely??!!



i want like it used to be! supras, mr2s, corollas, cressidas,

NO!!! No Scion name badge!!!! Toyota FT-86 is perfectly fine...and no craptacular motor should go in it either!! Screw Scion...

I actually wouldn't mind if the FT-86 is sold as a Scion here. It's not really going to make a difference in my opinion.

scion...they'll mess it up somehow...make it front wheel drive or something.

More wasted bandwidth on a car that is never going to go into production. And the press never seems to know when their chain is being yanked. News flash: FT-86 III, third generation prototype to be shown at the 2012 auto show. FT-86 IV, fourth generation prototype to be shown at the 2013 auto show. And so on.

i do NOT like that it is a scion the AE 86 witch was the inspiration for this car was a toyota and for that reason i believe that this car should cary a toyota badge.

Oh NNNNNNNNNNOES! Its called a Scion! Booo Whoo...I think its safe to say 90% of the posts are from people that wont actually buy the car regarless of what its badaged under. You know what needs to die? All you NOSing Civic lovers that jumped on the Nissan bandwagon, Yup!



I vote to change the name to:

Donkey Kong Fruit Salad



This is like saying Blah blah blah Toyota needs a LUXURY car, Ya its called Lexus. Oh AND if your worried about what people will think it is or people will think about you driving uncool a OMG SCION

YOU, YOU, YOU need to get some self confidence and NOT CARE what people think! Have some self rescpect and go buy some more SkInNy JeAnZZZZZZ

No!!!!! Why scion please please please don't make it

A hella fail me too car for highschool kids like the TC :(.

Like so many people I have been waiting on this since the

First concept. I really wanted this to be the first new car I

Ever owned I love my old ae86 and my old Subrau XT and I

Really wanted to love a new ft86 but not from scion

I could honestly care less what badge the car wears. As long as it has a 2.5 liter turbo boxer motor and RWD combo it sure to be a crowd pleaser. Its like the new Genesis from Hyundai, I mean yeah its a Hyundai but its a badass Hyundai.

I agree, DON'T make this a scion! That kills the whole image of this car in my opinion.

I think I'd rather buy a genesis based on the new body style for scion

If its Scion might as well name it Scion fm-l hahaha.

PLEASE NOT A SCION

A rose by any other name is still a rose.



I'm hoping Speedhunter does a complete review on it as soon as it comes out. I want the whole shebang. Comparisons with Miata's, the AE86, S-chassis, S2000 and Genesis Coupe. Don't let Jalopnik out do you on your own niche.

I'm a tehnician for Toyota and I hope they don't release it as a scion! Subie heart? Mmm, doesn't get any better than that. Can't wait to work on those!

Wow so much Scion hate. So much for car enthusiasts these days. Even though I drive an audi, I too look forward to this FT-86 becoming a production car, Toyota or Scion badge makes no difference.

I don't care what's it called or who's it from. The idea oof a cheap rwd sportcar from the same people who brought you the ae86 is just the perfect example of whag cocould start tto bring names like Silvia, "SX", and S2000 back around. Bring on the 80-90's again, and bring them now!

As an 86 owner this car makes me sad for more than one reason. Get that damn flat 4 out of there and don't badge it as a Scion.

As an 86 owner this car makes me sad for more than one reason. Get that damn flat 4 out of there and don't badge it as a Scion.

Leave the name FT-86. Kind of a cool homage. Also, make it turbocharged!

I call BS. No source for one, and two some of these things were already confirmed to be the opposite(such as Subaru being RWD and revealing at Geneva).



Lots of BS info about this car recently..

its gonna be sick but i dont think it will ever have the legacy a mk4 supra does.

Lucky me we don't have scioni dealer in the middle east.... So I guess we'll get it as toyota fr-s



Scion or not I will enjoy driving it every day, just make the damn thing!

I personally never was a big fan of the FT-86 concept but I still was looking forward to it because I knew that the tuner crowd really wanted it and it was something that Toyota really needed but now that I hear that its going to be a Scion... I just can't help but laugh my hardest while I feel remorse for the Toyota lovers. I honestly don't think that Toyota knows what they're doing. For example... First they come out with a Toyota Supra concept that was to be a turbocharged V6 or an NA V8 powered, aluminium bodied, rear wheel drive respectable "Mark V". While that was happening, Toyota saw the success of the Nissan GTR and must've said "as if our Mark V concept has a chance". So instead they rebuilt it with a carbon fiber body and threw a V10 with a special transmission into it while badging it as a Lexus and claiming it was a supercar so they can give it a $375-400k price tag. Now they have another reasonable sportscar concept that could bring in sales from the mass majority but instead they're going to piss it away by badging it as a Scion? Its just hilarious how much of a fail Toyota is. I can't wait to see how much they're going to price their "Scion FT-S" for... knowing Toyota... possibly $50-60k.

They should make it a corolla and bring the name back to its roots as a fun sport car

I had the chance to meet a north america toyota executive back in 2002 when i worked at a winery while i was in smog school.. After work there limo had parked next to my first s14 And is i was leaving work he asked me for directions. I finally had my chance to ask him. " what happened to toyota? why no RWD fun platform.?" He seid to me. " guys like you dont buy new cars from toyota . you go on craigslist and buy junk or had kids.- People with kids by mini vans. Thats were the market is" --" you dont like are scion line?! - what an ass..

But if they called it a Toyota it would have to be re-called. I don't actually mean that. It would be neat if it was turbo'd but wouldn't that pay less respect to the original AE86? Regardless of branding, I am excited for this car and will judge it on how it performs not the name. After all it should be an affordable RWD and that is really part of the spirit that they are trying to re-capture.

As a Supra owner, I feel that Toyota will never get it right. They don't concentrate on their own brand "Toyota" and letting it just slowly deteriorate over time as they consider Scion the flagship for sports cars. I am sorry to the Scion owners but if your car is branded a "SCION" its not a sports car. PERIOD. Toyota really needs to get with the program. From the time period of the 1967 (2000gt) to right about mid 90's (US market) after the sales of the JZA80 Toyota was putting out some serious heat in their sport car dept. Now its just a shame. I am just glad to own a part of Toyota's last of the super cars they produced. I think Toyota is afraid to venture out into the sport car industry as sales of the JZA80 really didn't make a profit with $45-$50k price tags and suffered from it. But honestly, its one of the most sought after cars on the market that keep its value and the ingenuity involved to hit 800hp with stock internals and a upgraded clutch on the 6spd.... I hope Scion dies and Toyota can stop d*cking around with sport cars that no one can afford or no one wants to actually wants to use as a performance oriented vehicle. I am a lot of others are and have been for years disappointed in Toyota. I hope someone from Toyota high in up authority reads everyone's responses in here and speaks up to the big boss and changes the direction Toyota is taking their sports cars in.

Ok i'm calling it, after the ft-86 gets released junkyards will be stacked to the brim with them because you know scion sales people will call it a sports car and that its predecessor is one of the best drift cars in the world and then little timmy watches tokyo drift and decides that wrapping his new car around a telephone pole seems like an awesome thing to do. Ugh i just had a miserable thought, what if they start showing plans for a scion supra at some point? *smashes face against wall*

All Toyota wants is money money money... They have no Idea what they're doing and they need to step up their game.

This car is a joke. It doesn't matter if it gets badged as a Scion or a Toyota, it will still be a heavy and overpriced coupe powered by a Subaru engine. Not worthy of any reference to the AE86 chassis.



Car industry sucks nowadays, not to mention the huge amount of ugly and bloated cars, even the sporty ones.

I'll buy the one lexus or subaru puts out

Tell us when it has a price sticker on the window. Otherwise, quit wasting everyone's time.

Who cares what they name it???



Scion, Lexus... Toyota, wake up people, it's ALL THE SAME thing.



The 2.5L engine is a dog in NA form, lets hope they decide to go with the higher reving 2liter.

I'd be really concerned that they plan to use the same 2.5 out of the tC, which would make it just plain slow. Even in an FR setup that engine is quite weak compared to it's size, a higher powerband 2 liter would make for much more fun.



But it will probably end up a FF 2.5 since it would seem most people don't understand that a bigger size of an engine doesn't necesarily mean faster, and front wheel drive makes the whole thing a lot more manageable for the average Sunday driver. Remember most brand new sports cars end up sold to people over 30 that will never even get the engine to the red line, they just want the experience of the vehicle, the performance is just a talking point.

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Toyota could really use a "coolness" boost and this car would be a perfect one to do it. Scion already has enough tight jeaned kids drinking java and smoking cigarettes. Let them keep todays "trendy sports cars" and give the actual performance orientated crowd something back for standing by you after you dropped the supra and called that spaceship looking celica cool. oh and give the damn thing a turbo.



Hell yeah. x1000

NOOOOOOOOOO! NOOOOOOO! Please NO! Toyota please.....

hioefully it will keep the toyota and FT-86 badges over here in europe otherwise i think a lot of guys in USA will be fast on secureing JDM / EU badges and labelling

Toyota if you are listening, please do not bring this in as a Scion. I do not want this car to have the cheap plasticy interior feel that all Scion models have. I also do not want to be listening to every single crack in the road because in order to make the Scion cars cheap they cheaped out on sound deading.

A scion.................

If i was a college kid with a fohawk and a rat tail with a fixed gear id buy a scion. Thankfully im not

come on toyota, add a sports to your line instead of boring ass gas sippers. I want to see if a toyota badge on this car. Not a lame ass scion one...

dissapointing..

it was funny being told i was not any part of a target market. He quickly generalized me as a redneck tard with a yard full of cars or a baby maker who will buy a shitty 40k minvan and drive around miserable and soul less . I respect his honest opinion to a degree. But if i was given the opportunity to buy a new RWD toyota or a Dodge challenger ? - im pretty sure id go with the dodge. The Japanese super power needs to get off its high horse.

If u make the price to 15k. Then scion it is.

Thank god I didn't waste my time reading the hundred or so comments and complaints. Like it or not, Toyota will build whatever they believe is profitable for them. Whether it be under the traditional Toyota or "marketing driven" Scion brand. They didn't become the largest automaker in 08 by following trends. Besides, if they actually listened to you whiny bitches about what to build, non of you would buy it anyway. They'd just end up footing the bill for research, development, marketing/advertising, and production cost with not much for a return. I say just wait, and if you don't like what they build, don't buy it. Sucka.

nivlac...neither subaru engines 2.0 or 2.5 are what i or anyone with a subaru call laggy. in fact my 2.o liter produces about 17 lbs of boost by 2900 rpm. my 2.5 sees close to 20 by the same rpm with over 300lbs of wtq

If Toyota was know previously as a manufacturer that makes great reliable cars and awesome sports cars, now Toyota will be know as a great let down. If they keep going in this direction, TOYOTA will turn into KYA or Ssang Young crap. My message towards Toyota: if you guys market this car as a Scion FT-S with a boxer engine and FWD; if any of that comes out on the market instead of really bringing the rebirth of the great AE86, than you guys just piss on the masses of TOYOTA fans across the world and bring shame to the great TOYOTA legends, legacy and history...

For the rest of us, fans and petrol-heads, the Scion FT-S crap would mean another let down and more cutting, slicing and welding to turn crap into gold, turn it into the car that we really expected and dream of... Sad, TOYOTA, sad...

Tell us what the rumor will be for 2014 or 2017, when the still unreleased FT-Whatever is once again cited to be sold under a different name by a different division. The only consistent thing about this is the rate at which press releases and rumors pop up for this imaginary car that Toyota (or anyone else) is never going to build or sell.

call it a toyota and bring back the heart and soul of the original ae86..the 4AG!!!!!!!

NOOOO SCION!!

If this is going to be a tribute to the 86 then why insult it by making it a scion. If this does become a scion then I will just wait for the subaru version